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Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:49 pm

Hi everybody,

Probably I missed the topic in the past here but is there a launch customer for Boeing's new B772LR yet ?

I appreciate all infos,

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Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:59 pm

PK and BR have already ordered.

PK is the launch customer. I think BR was planning on changing their 772LR orders to the Freighter version?

Also, SQ and AC are rumoured to be considering the aircraft.
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Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:17 pm

Air France is in talks with Boeing for 2 freighters variant of the B772LR and could be the launch customer for this version.
 
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Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:21 am

I wonder how many will have to be sold for Boeing to recover the R&D costs for this derivative?

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:24 am

It split R&D costs with the 773ER; so theoretically, no more can be sold yet the costs could still be recovered.
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:47 am

If I am not mistaken AC is looking at a mix of 772LR and 773ERs

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:53 am

So if this thing can fly LHR-SYD both ways, anyone see QF or BA ordering a few? This could also affect QF's 777/A340 decision greatly.
 
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:03 am

The QF decision has been stated numerous times that they will not make up there minds until mid summer on the a/c they will order next if at all.

Also I thought AF and 5X were the launch carriers for the 777-200LRF. Is this correct?

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:05 am

Another strong contender is Saudi Arabian for both 772LR and 773ER.


Quoting BoeingFever777 (reply 7):

Also I thought AF and 5X were the launch carriers for the 777-200LRF. Is this correct?


The 777-F does not yet have a launch customer. Those airlines are certainly possible however...
 
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:15 am

UPS also has been rumored to be interested. Take it for what it's worth....

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:25 am

>I think BR was planning on changing their 772LR orders to the Freighter version?<

That is the rumor, but they have not said anything yet. The orders are still for the PAX version.

>So if this thing can fly LHR-SYD both ways, anyone see QF or BA ordering a few?<

It can't. In can only go one way non-stop, and even that would take a restriction. Going SYD-LHR would require the plane be about half full of passengers, with no cargo.
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Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:42 am


Quoting FriendlySkies (reply 6):
So if this thing can fly LHR-SYD both ways, anyone see QF or BA ordering a few?


It can only do LHR-SYD not SYD-LHR. QF are looking at A346 and 773 (ER?) and appart from using it to LHR I don't think Qantas really has a need for such an aircraft, the same can probably be said for BA.
 
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:33 am

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (reply 5):
If I am not mistaken AC is looking at a mix of 772LR and 773ERs


are they not happy with their 2 A345?
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:38 am

Airbus Fan YYZ

I heard these romors too but do you believe it? Then what are they going to do with the A333, A343, and A345 and their order for the A346?
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:43 am

Quoting Ktachiya (reply 13):
their order for the A346?

they have placed an order for 3 A346. B777 don't seem coming.
Any definate news?
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:09 am

I hope an American based carrier descides to get one.....
 
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:32 am

I hope an American based carrier descides to get one.....

Continental would be the favourite there. It would open up some interesting route possibilities for them. For instance African operations.

Other operators could well be FedEX or UPS for a hot freight lifter capable of doing long range/heavy mixtures of ops which are time-critical. FedEX for instance makes a ton of money with its MD-11s doing live animal work, and eliminating stops for those operations would be a massive benefit.

The real action with this derivative is going to be in the freight world. There are so many applications for a 772LRF which can be listed, or even the 772F detanked version with higher payloads.


Airbus doesn't really have anything in its portfolio to offer against the 777 freighters in the near term.
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:54 am


Quoting WhiteHatter (reply 16):
The real action with this derivative is going to be in the freight world. There are so many applications for a 772LRF which can be listed, or even the 772F detanked version with higher payloads

Is a tanked up version of the freighter going to be offered? The website shows the fuel capacity to be the same as 773ER and less than the 772LR.
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:12 pm

I would think Boeing will let the market lead them on this, in consultation with clients such as Emirates, Lufthansa Cargo, FedEX and UPS. The technical side is not going to be difficult to adapt to the customer's needs as they are crystallised into a requirement.

It would be relatively simple to offer options of more tank or more payload.
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:05 pm

I actually wonder if AC would be interested in the 772LR or 773ER. Neither a/c can do Toronto-Delhi because they are not allowed to fly over the Himilayas. Only 4 engined a/c are allowed to do that. In order to fly direct from Toronto to Delhi or v.v. they need to fly over that mountain range.
 
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:25 pm

I am only but one of many.. but I would say it is a very safe bet that FedEx will NOT be ordering any 772LR. Adding another type A/C would skyrocket operating costs. FedEx is quite content with the DC-10/MD-11 and A-300/310 mix for now.. the only changes you can bet on in the near future are the ones we all know about already = A-380.
 
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:26 pm

I can't see AC getting 777s in the near future. They already have several A333s and A343s, two A345s and have orders for a couple of A346s. And I've also heard they are looking for used A343s. Wouln't make much sence to add 777s, although in my opinion the 777 is a better (but yes, more expensive to buy) product than the A340.



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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:32 pm

sow hat does it have for range? hope it wasnt already asked.
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Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:59 pm

I am only but one of many.. but I would say it is a very safe bet that FedEx will NOT be ordering any 772LR.

Orders do not have to be placed before the aircraft flies.

FedEx will eventually need to replace their ageing A310, DC-10 and MD-11 aircraft. The DC-10 fleet in particular. There should still be a 777 production line in 10 years time, by which time FedEX may well be flying them. Not everything can be done with an A380.
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:49 am


Quoting Vulindlela744 (reply 19):
Neither a/c can do Toronto-Delhi because they are not allowed to fly over the Himilayas.

They can do it, but they're not allowed to do so in the most direct routing possible...


Quoting FedExA380 (reply 20):
.. but I would say it is a very safe bet that FedEx will NOT be ordering any 772LR

...particularly considering that they and EK have been the driving forces behind 772LRF development since 2002  Nuts
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Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:15 am

Quoting N1120A (reply 10):
>So if this thing can fly LHR-SYD both ways, anyone see QF or BA ordering a few?<

It can't. In can only go one way non-stop, and even that would take a restriction. Going SYD-LHR would require the plane be about half full of passengers, with no cargo.


What about SYD-JFK?

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Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:14 pm

I think it is PIA.
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (reply 4):
It split R&D costs with the 773ER; so theoretically, no more can be sold yet the costs could still be recovered.


This is utter nonsense. Under GAAP, R & D expenses are always expensed as incurred and are never matched with specific revenues, as R & D activities may never bear any fruit. However, no competent cost accountant or financial analyst would ever employ the method suggested to calculate the breakeven point, payback, IRR, ROI, etc.(the standard metrics of financial performance), of a specific product.
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:48 am

About how long would it take the 777-200LR project to break even?
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:44 am

Quoting Leelaw (reply 27):
Under GAAP, R & D expenses are always expensed as incurred and are never matched with specific revenues, as R & D activities may never bear any fruit. However, no competent cost accountant or financial analyst would ever employ the method suggested to calculate the breakeven point, payback, IRR, ROI, etc.(the standard metrics of financial performance), of a specific product.

...pretty as it is petty. While true that both aircraft technically maintained separate accounting for development/ROI (particularly made evident from the 2001 freeze, hence the "theoretically")-- your fundamental overview of 'general practices' fails to take into account both Boeing and GE's own admittance that the aggregate development (not production) costs were so intertwined such that either benefits from the success of the other.
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Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (reply 29):
..pretty as it is petty. While true that both aircraft technically maintained separate accounting for development/ROI (particularly made evident from the 2001 freeze, hence the "theoretically")-- your fundamental overview of 'general practices' fails to take into account both Boeing and GE's own admittance that the aggregate development (not production) costs were so intertwined such that either benefits from the success of the other.


Nothing more than verbal diarrhea; a complete non sequitur. FYI, GAAP are fundamental and axiomatic, and not subject to quixotic interpretation and/or application by Boeing, GE, you or me. Stick to peddling the usual breathless boosterism, you obviously don't possess even a rudimentary understanding of: cost-volume-profit-analysis in particular; or cost accounting, financial accounting, and basic corporate finance in general.
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:24 am

Quote:
If I am not mistaken AC is looking at a mix of 772LR and 773ERs


What? That's a pretty far-fetched rumour. Considering AC just took hold of 2x A345s and has orders for the A346 and currently operates a modest A343 fleet, I hardly believe any 777s will be in the works for the airline.

If anything, we will see more A345s coming down the line.
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RE: Who Is The Boeing 777-200LR Launch Customer?

Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting Leelaw (reply 30):
Nothing more than verbal diarrhea; a complete non sequitur.

indeed your posts are proving to be thus, I agree  Big grin
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