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Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:17 am

Hi !

I noticed on a website that ex-UA N767UA will become PP-VRI and is being refurbished for delivery to RG. I guess RG will also take PP-VRG and PP-VRH ? I guess those are ex-UA as well, N766UA and N770UA ? More info anyone ?

Link to webpage with info:



and page down to Goodyear

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:25 am

Thanks for the information:

Could you post the website again?

Indeed, RG is to take delivery of at least another B777s during 2005. Currently RG has six B777s and is the only airline in LatAm operating the B777.

I guess RG will also take PP-VRG and PP-VRH ? I guess those are ex-UA as well, N766UA and N770UA ?

You are correct.

RG is phasing out the B767s from its fleet...I also hope they phase out their old and worn out MD-11s!

Rgs,
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:27 am

I have problem adding the link. Let me try here :

http://www.visitingphx.com/charters.html#3

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:03 am

NICE!!! Keep 'em coming, the more the better!!

PP-VRF was "spotted" in RG's maintenance facility in GIG in early Jaunary:


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Any one knows when it's due to enter service? Or is it already in service?

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Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:24 am

This is her still in UA colors:


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She is currently stored in GYR.

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:50 am

Here is RG current fleet of B777s:

B777-ER (PP-VRA) original
B777-ER (PP-VRB) original
B777 (PP-VRC) ex-BA
B777 (PP-VRD) ex-BA
B777-ER (PP-VRE) ex-UA
B777-ER (PP-VRF) ex-UA

PP-VRG, PP-VRH and PP-VRGI are to be delivered during 2005, apparently all three witll be ex-UA (last year there was information saying that they would be ex-AF).

I hope RG gets rid of their MD-11s as soon as possible!

Rgs,
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:15 am

Also, JFK will be switched back to the 777 this summer.
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:53 pm

PP-VRF was "spotted" in RG's maintenance facility in GIG in early Jaunary

Tks for the photo. As pointed out by Flyguy1, B777-ER (PP-VRF) will be used for RG's daily flight GIG-GRU-JFK.

I assume the following routes are priority for PP-VRG/H/I:

1. POA-GRU-CDG-AMS;
2. GIG-GRU-LHR-CPH;
3. GIG-GRU-MUC-PECK (due to start Jul/05)

Although I would rather deploy the B777 to RG's 4 x week GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT...such a long flight on the MD-11 is a complete torture!

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:33 pm

Hello everybody!


Guys, do you know if all these 777 are coming with PVT?

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:36 am

How much longer will RG use the M11 on GIG-GRU-LAX-[NRT on certain days]-GRU-GIG? I'd think they'd want to switch to the 777.
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:00 am

How much longer will RG use the M11 on GIG-GRU-LAX-[NRT on certain days]-GRU-GIG

RG operates GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT 4 x week, however, RG sources said that the flight will be upgraded to daily and change airports to NGO: GIG-GRU-LAX-NGO daily.

As mentioned above, B777-ER (PP-VRF) will be used for RG's daily flight GIG-GRU-JFK.

I assume the following routes are priority for PP-VRG/H/I:

1. POA-GRU-CDG-AMS;
2. GIG-GRU-LHR-CPH;
3. GIG-GRU-MUC-PECK (due to start Jul/05)

As such, the HORRIBLE MD-11 would remain for quite some time on the route to LAX-NRT.

Guys, do you know if all these 777 are coming with PVT?

All RG B777s come with IFE/PVT, as you can see on the photo below:


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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:07 am

Their MD-11s are not horrible. I like them. Though I wouldn't mind flying some of these 777s JFK-GRU but I doubt they will use that equipment on that route. I would love it though! This is good news for RG.
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:20 am

Many thanks for the replies !

There's no way the non-ER 777s can fly GRU-LHR/CDG/AMS nonstop since they don't have the range. Flight times on those sectors are over 12h and a non-ER have a range of about 8 1/2 h or perhaps 9h. I can see RG flying these non-ERs to MIA, LIS, MEX and maybe JFK but think they need and ER model for JFK as well. Also likely are flights within South America like CCS, SCL and EZE.

I agree that it would be nice to see RG 777s in LAX. Makes sense on that long flight to NRT as well.

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:55 am

Quoting The777Man (reply 12):
There's no way the non-ER 777s can fly GRU-LHR/CDG/AMS nonstop since they don't have the range


RG will probably relocated some of the B777-ERs used in intra-South American flights to long-range flights.

Currently RG uses the B777 to MIA, FRA, EZE, SCL, MEX and MAD. So there is room to relocate B777-ERs to other fligts. JFK, CDG-AMS, LHR-CPH and LIS are all good candidates.

I dont see RG deploying the B777 to LAX-NRT.

Rgs,
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:57 am

As of 2-14, at least four Varig Mega-dogs(MD-11) were parked at GoodYear, AZ.
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:27 am

Good news, and I hope RG phases out ALL MD-11s as soon as possible...

Of the major airlines, I think the only ones still using MD-11s are: RG, Finnair and KLM.

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:33 am

Of the major airlines, I think the only ones still using MD-11s are: RG, Finnair and KLM.

You forgot Thai... TG still has 4 MD-11s if I recall correctly.
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:53 pm

RG will switch the JFK flights back to 777 aircraft this summer.
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Hardiwv (reply 1):
RG is phasing out the B767s from its fleet...I also hope they phase out their old and worn out MD-11s!


When will RG phase out all their B767s? How many B767s left in RG fleet? 7?

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:44 am

Hows RG's financial situation going? Did they exit their crisis?

How much range those 777 that arent ER's do normally?
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting B752fanatic (reply 19):
When will RG phase out all their B767s? How many B767s left in RG fleet? 7?


I believe they still have 8 -300s. All -200s have already been phased out.


Quoting B752fanatic (reply 19):
Hows RG's financial situation going? Did they exit their crisis?


Not yet, but since late last year there have been several positive announcements for RG:

- Big win on a lawsuit against the government (on the billions figure), which could reduce their debt by a third or so.

- The approval by congress of a new bankruptcy law;

- They have been posting profits consistently, and

- Their market share actually grew a little last year (+3%)

I feel like I'm missing something, anyone?

Things have been moving slowly, that's a big problem for them. There are several potential investors willing to buy a stake in RG, among them is the Portuguese group Pestana, TAP, and even GOL.

Cheers,

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PS: Well, they also leased more 777s, and 752s.

EDIT: RG's current debt stands at R$7 billion (USD $2.7 billion), the lawsuit they won (R$3 billion or USD $1.2 billion) could reduce their debt by more than 40%, and not by a third as I mentioned above.

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:48 am

Quoting Hardiwv (reply 1):
RG is phasing out the B767s from its fleet...I also hope they phase out their old and worn out MD-11s!


I second that. Varig's MD-11 are really showing their age. They are OK for domestic flights but it is inhumane for RG to make us ride them on long flights such as GRU-FRA. I have yet to meet a passenger who stepped out into a terminal after 13 hrs inside an RG MD-11 who said he enjoyed the flight. I mean even business class in RGs MD-11 is considered torture by some! Check the Smiles forum at flyertalk if you don't believe me. It is high time for Varig's MD-11s to follow the fate of their siblings and become freighters.
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:33 am

Quoting PPVRA (reply 20):
feel like I'm missing something, anyone?


Other positive aspects: RG's subsidiary VarigLog (cargo) is very profitable and the biggest air cargo company in Latin America; VEM, Varig Engineering and Maintenance is also very profitable and considered one of the top 10 in the world with a staff of +3,000; 3) Uruguay's flag carrier, Pluna, is 49% controled by RG; RG has the biggest FF program in Latin America.

Quoting Regis (reply 21):
I second that. Varig's MD-11 are really showing their age. They are OK for domestic flights but it is inhumane for RG to make us ride them on long flights such as GRU-FRA. I have yet to meet a passenger who stepped out into a terminal after 13 hrs inside an RG MD-11 who said he enjoyed the flight. I mean even business class in RGs MD-11 is considered torture by some!


RG's MD-11s are a complete torture and they should be phased out IMMEDIATELY. RG's MD-11 are severely hurting RG's international reputation. RG's MD-11s and 763s should only be used for domestic flights.

Rgs,

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:19 pm

Why is UA getting rid of their 777?
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:17 am

OOOOYYYY ..Hardiwv.

Do NOT slag off the mighty MD11.
She was and always will be a queen of the skies.
Perhaps little tossers like you don't like them,but it is becoming harder & harder to get a ride on a 3-holer.There are many threads on the scud in this forum all praising the Mega Dog.

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:56 am

Quoting TUGMASTER (reply 24):
Do NOT slag off the mighty MD11.
She was and always will be a queen of the skies.


The MD-11 is many things, Queen of the Skies she is certainly not.
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:06 am

blablabla, this has nothing to do with the MD-11, just how RG handles them...

i flew on MP, an KL MD-11 and i must say i prefer the MD-11 above the KL 767/747 (didn't flew 777 yet) and they are in very good chape... just youre on thought on this is counting
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting PPVRA (reply 20):
Quoting B752fanatic (reply 19):
When will RG phase out all their B767s? How many B767s left in RG fleet? 7?

I believe they still have 8 -300s. All -200s have already been phased out.


In fact only 5 -300ERs pertain to RG; 2 others are operated by MM (Euroatlantic) for charter operations, and former retrojet PP-VOL left the fleet recently.

I can see that some of you have strong feelings about the MD-11, mostly negative. Besides my personal wish for RG to retain them just long enough for me to fly on one (i.e. another 1-2 years), I think they will need to, since there aren't enough 777s. In addition, I question whether RG is doing the right thing with leasing all these 777s; aren't their leasing costs substantially higher than those of their 3-engined counterparts? Is RG really in fit state to be acquiring as many "new" aircraft as they have been over the past year? And what really stumps me, is why RG operated some of their "newer" MD-11s for a matter of months, before sending them off for cargo conversion...

Quoting Tonytifao (reply 23):
Why is UA getting rid of their 777?


In one word, "bankruptcy"...

Saludos,

ZXV

P.S. Hardi, don't forget AZ in your list of MD-11 operators...  Big grin

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:42 am

Wouldn't be better to get rid of the 767s? They keep increasing flights to Asia, so they need the long range 777. Also, they are flying the 767's to Brazil.... which are always full. Why get rid of the 777? Better plane.... just my opinion.

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:43 am

I don't mind riding RG's MD-11's either. I flew on 4 of them last year LAX-GRU-GIG-GRU-LAX and MEX-GRU-MEX. What I really like about them is the way they are configured in Y class. 3-4-2 configurations make just about everyone happy. I wish more wide-bodies were configured that way. I think it is much better than 2-5-2 or even 3-3-3.
Anyone notice the photo in Hardi's Reply #10? There are hardly any passengers! It obviously wasn't a GRU-LAX flight!

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:05 am

Quoting LVZXV (reply 27):
In fact only 5 -300ERs pertain to RG; 2 others are operated by MM (Euroatlantic) for charter operations, and former retrojet PP-VOL left the fleet recently.


Thanks, wasn't sure on my info. So did RG lease the EuroAtlantic out? They are still in Brazilian registration.


Quoting LVZXV (reply 27):
In addition, I question whether RG is doing the right thing with leasing all these 777s; aren't their leasing costs substantially higher than those of their 3-engined counterparts? Is RG really in fit state to be acquiring as many "new" aircraft as they have been over the past year?


Well, they have been posting profits lately and have been expanding internationally. They have already restructured their debt with GE, which a few year ago had to arrest one RG MD-11 for not receiving payments.

Arguably, their situation has improved. The two only major problems now is what RG owes the government and having to pay for fuel used within 10 days.

Of course, not mentioning the obvious problem like competition and lack of a good interiors on most of their aircraft. Service is fine, is the interior that is in bad shape.

Quoting LVZXV (reply 27):
And what really stumps me, is why RG operated some of their "newer" MD-11s for a matter of months, before sending them off for cargo conversion...


They are ex-KE aircraft, they never entered RG's commercial fleet.


Quoting HALFA (reply 29):
I don't mind riding RG's MD-11's either. I flew on 4 of them last year LAX-GRU-GIG-GRU-LAX and MEX-GRU-MEX.


For better or for worse, I haven't been on an RG MD-11 yet (just on a DL MD11), but from reading trip reports and etc. it seems some of RG's MD11s are better equipped than others.

Quoting HALFA (reply 29):
Anyone notice the photo in Hardi's Reply #10? There are hardly any passengers! It obviously wasn't a GRU-LAX flight!


The one on the right isn't in-flight, and the one on the left is either CDG-AMS or LHR-CPH which are flown mostly for cargo.

Cheers,

PPVRA

PS: I also remember RG's ex-president, Ozires Silva, saying at the time that it was "one less engine" and would reduce maintenance costs.
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:06 am

Can somebody explain what is so horrible about flying on the Varig MD-11?? Personally, I love the looks of this plane, I see it at LAX all the time... But I have never taken a ride on it and I am trying to take the trip to GRU or NRT. What is it huh? is there a 20" pitch? Do they show Black and white Movies? I just want an explanation, not just to hear it is HORRIBLE!!! Long live the three holers!!!

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:17 am

Old worn-out seats, and for the obsessed one's: no PTVs.


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Not TOO bad IMO. RG's 762s were worse... take it from my experience.

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:26 am

Quoting PPVRA (reply 30):
The one on the right isn't in-flight

The one on the right is the photo I was referring to and according to the caption "taken at" it says "in-flight" over international air space. I just found it odd that there are very few passengers onboard.

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Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting HALFA (reply 33):
The one on the right is the photo I was referring to and according to the caption "taken at" it says "in-flight" over international air space. I just found it odd that there are very few passengers onboard.



you're right, it's the one on the right that has the few pax. But they are flying with quite full belly, you just can't see it  Smile And once they get to CDG or LHR you can bet they get filled up!

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:02 am

PPVRA:

Quoting PPVRA (reply 30):
Thanks, wasn't sure on my info. So did RG lease the EuroAtlantic out? They are still in Brazilian registration


I think these two are actually fairly recent additions to the fleet. If my knowledge serves me correctly, they are both former TWA machines taken on board circa July 2003. Their version (-3Y0ER) and registrations (PP-VTC/E) would seem to corroborate this, as Varig's [original] Boeings tend to carry the "-41" prefix.

Euroatlantic operate 3 former TWA 767s; 2 on behalf of Varig, and one on behalf of Argentina's Southern Winds (LV-AIX), although as you can see, none of the aircraft denote anything Portuguese, bar the fact that up till now, all have worn non-standard overall white colour schemes (for different reasons).

At present, 3 of Varig's "mainstream" 767s are of the original batch of -341ERs(PP-VOI/J/K), while the other 2 are ex-Canadian -375ER models (PP-VPV/W).

Quoting PPVRA (reply 30):
They are ex-KE aircraft, they never entered RG's commercial fleet.


As a matter of fact, the aircraft I was referring to were ex-Swiss (although Varig's MD-11s have a variety of backgrounds--Garuda, Swiss, Vasp etc.--I don't think any are of Korean origin). Specifically, PP-VTF (ex-HB-IWB) and PP-VTG (ex-HB-IWD) operated approximately 11 months with Varig before being sold-off to Fed Ex. Likewise, the most recent additions (PP-VTH/I/J/K/P/V) are already earmarked for UPS, while PP-VTU (ex-HB-IWH) has already left the fleet after a VERY short stint in Brazil, bound for Singapore.

My question is what was the point in acquiring, repainting and operating these former Swiss Mega Dogs for such a short time? It would have made more sense to just slap some "VARIG" titles on the fuselage and leave the Swiss cross on the fin!

Does anyone have an accurate idea as to how long Varig intend to keep their MD-11s?

Saludos,

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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am

Quoting Tonytifao (reply 23):
Why is UA getting rid of their 777?


Six leased 777-200ERs were returned to Boeing as part of the refinancing deal I believe. UA still has a very strong (and very large) fleet of 777s.
 
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:34 am

Quoting LVZXV (reply 35):
As a matter of fact, the aircraft I was referring to were ex-Swiss (although Varig's MD-11s have a variety of backgrounds--Garuda, Swiss, Vasp etc.--I don't think any are of Korean origin).


Ok, we are not in the same page... I thought you were referring to the latest MD-11F addition:


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Recently delivered from KE VarigLog bought two of them.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Edit: MD-11F

[Edited 2005-03-03 02:41:40]
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hardiwv
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RE: Varig Brasil (RG) To Get At Least One More 777

Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:09 pm

Quoting MauriceB (reply 26):
i flew on MP, an KL MD-11 and i must say i prefer the MD-11 above the KL 767/747 (didn't flew 777 yet


Sorry, but I had a horrible experience with KL MD-11 JFK-AMS last year. It was as bad as flying RG MD-11. Really old and worn out plane, not even close to KL 777 used to GRU, for example.

I had also experienced KL B767 AMS-EWR-AMS on business class and it was my second worst experience (my PTV did not work, for example, the seat could not recline properly - for the record, my worst business class experience was LH FRA-KRT).

Quoting LVZXV (reply 27):
Hardi, don't forget AZ in your list of MD-11 operators...


Correct, AZ phased out the MD-11 and reintroduced a couple of them again on some routes. Luckly they are using the B777 to EZE and GRU!  Smile

Quoting HALFA (reply 29):
I don't mind riding RG's MD-11's either.

Quoting HALFA (reply 29):
What I really like about them is the way they are configured in Y class. 3-4-2 configurations make just about everyone happy


You have a good point, especially the 2 seat row is a good configuration.

Quoting HALFA (reply 29):
Anyone notice the photo in Hardi's Reply #10? There are hardly any passengers!


As pointed out above, those are photos on RG's legs CDG-AMS and LHR-CPH. Loads are very low on these routes (especially CDG-AMS), but cargo loads are excellent. RG has 5th freedom rights for both routes though.

Quoting LVZXV (reply 35):
Does anyone have an accurate idea as to how long Varig intend to keep their MD-11s?


I dont have accurate information; I dont think at this moment anything is accurate as far as RG is concerned, not even its survival let alone a decent fleet planning. But I think their MD-11s used for important destinations, such as LHR, CDG and MIA would be the first to be phased out. MD-11s for domestic routes could still be kept for some time, e.g. IGU-GIG.

Rgs,

[Edited 2005-03-03 12:13:02]