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SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:47 am

Only a short time ago, a wide body Airbus was a sight not seen at SEA. I recall one AC A340 diverted from YVR one day, that's it. Now, SEA is host to three airlines flying A330/340s: NW, CI, and SAS. Although this means the absence of the NW 747 classics, I think the pax to NRT will aggree that the A330 is a better ride. How does the A340 service on SAS compare with the 763s? I still argue that LH could easily fill a daily A346 or 744 to FRA. Mabye someday. The times, they are 'a changin'.


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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:08 pm

We still have BA, EVA Air, and Asiana 747's. and UA 777's So?

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:10 pm

Asiana doesn't use a 744 anymore, its a 777 now.
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:10 pm

And UA 777s...what is the point of this thread?
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:11 pm

Yes, that's what I say.
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:13 pm

Just remembered, HA also flies 763s in, and I think DL might fly a 762 in...
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:15 pm

AS also flies there alot I heard
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:19 pm

The point of the thread was that he wanted to talk about the new spate of Airbuses at SEA, where previously there were none.

Ya'll could all try not to be jackasses about it.

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:22 pm

I would exactly call 4 airplanes a huge difference...there really isn't much to discuss. So 3 airlines are now flying an Airbus to SEA....ok, umm.......so yeah.
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:27 pm

Cool you jets folks - All he is saying is that there was a time when SEA didn't see any of the larger Airbii. Now it does. Raising it in a thread is no more or less pointless than most of the threads on ANet. As aviation enthusiasts, we should welcome any increase in diversity at an airport.

Back to the thread - I remember when SEA was a widebody heaven. NW & UA had multiple daily DC-10s and 747s, AA, CO, TW all flew their respective widebodies in and JL, TG, AY, MU and Martinair all made appearances at one time or another. SEA still fares better than many places, but I miss the days when every gate held a different aircraft type. Now it feels like an endless progression of 737s punctuated with A32x.

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:28 pm

How about everyone stop being such a d**k twards him for making a point? My god, if you can't reply with something positive or polite, why reply at all? And don't jump on me for snapping at anyone, cuz I just did it cuz I'm sick of you all acting like an a** hole.

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:28 pm

Thanks Gigneil, i agree with you.

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:32 pm

I used to live on Capital Hill in SEA and always had some good opportunities to see approaches and takeoffs from 34L & R. I'd see NW DC10's, BA 744's, UA 772 and the SAS A340. I always loved watching the A340 on departure with it's "hair dryer" engines. Watching the daily 6:30pm BA 744 lumber overhead was always a treat. GOOD TIMES!
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:32 pm

Wow, I had no idea I was going to start a war. Grow up, guys. Thanks for the constructive responses. At least some of us can behave like adults. Wow.
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:03 pm

Does JL still serve SEA or is NW and UA the only one's?

What does LH use on this route?
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:10 pm

LH doesn't serve SEA. The serve PDX with an A330 I believe. JL doesn't serve SEA either.
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:24 pm

JL and NH don't serve SEA I think.

That's sad. Everyone I know wants to go see Ichiro play. If they flew there it would be packed with baseball fans. More would prefer to fly to SEA than watch the games locally. It would be great for business.

There have been rumors floating around that NW might use their A330s coming online to start a new SEA to NGO route. Don't see its benefit besides Ichiro being from Nagoya area.

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:25 pm

I believe that the LH PDX service is a A343.
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:52 pm

Cool you jets folks - All he is saying is that there was a time when SEA didn't see any of the larger Airbii. Now it does. Raising it in a thread is no more or less pointless than most of the threads on ANet

The thread presumes that there was some attempt/effort/organized movement to ensure that Airbus wide bodies don't fly into Boeing's backyard. Unfortunately, the starter of the thread does not specify any of that. Calling someone an a##hole or a jackass for questioning the point of a thread that has no stated point is not wrong. I too was wondering what the point of the thread was.

Wow, I had no idea I was going to start a war. Grow up, guys. Thanks for the constructive responses. At least some of us can behave like adults. Wow.
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So, about the thread, my opinion would be that as demand increases and airlines acquire new equipment, aircraft are sent to different destinations. I doubt that NW didn't fly an A330 into SEA because Boeing may be offended, or something to that effect.

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:00 pm

LH's service to PDX is an A340-300
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:02 pm

and look at all the Boeing's at CDG!! WOW, 777s all over the place.
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:09 pm

FLY2LIM:

Hmmm?

The point of the thread is incredibly simple - there are now widebody Airbi flying into SEA, when there were not before.

Boeing is not mentioned in the first post, nor is there any suggestion or presumption that somehow airlines kept the Airbi away because of Boeing. To suggest that this is so raises the B v. A war to a new level of paranoia.

It may not be the most intellectually stimulating thread in the history of a.net, but it is completely valid, and somewhat more interesting - to me - than "why did airline A change their livery."

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:17 pm

Mason,

As far as the "ride", I totally disagree. I have traveled the NWA 742/744 many times from the U.S. West Coast to NRT. I recently took the 330-200 on a similar routing. To this day, there is nothing that flies like the Jumbo. Although the 330-200 is a great airplane, it's comfort level is not up to the Jumbo and is a narrower aircraft. Although the 330-200 maybe technologically superior, the aircraft lacks lateral space. If your seated in the front cabin along the window, I found myself repeated bumping my head on the side wall due to the premature fuselage curvature. I personally think that this is drawback on all widebody Airbus products. Additionally, the extremely small windows are another drawback. I was hoping that the 380 would address the window issue, but no such luck!
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:21 pm

"Generally speaking, adults write with clear and well thought sentences ..."


What a pointless remark, cconsidering the subject. There is far too much bitching an confrontation on a.net about silly subjects like A vs. B. This guy is absolutely right.


"The thread presumes that there was some attempt/effort/organized movement to ensure that Airbus wide bodies don't fly into Boeing's backyard."


Seriously... are you trying to start a war? What use is idle speculative propaganda?

This thread is simply an observation about a change in state at SEA, asking for reflections and comments. Not every thread has to be out there, challenging the politics and economics of the industry.


"The point of the thread was that he wanted to talk about the new spate of Airbuses at SEA, where previously there were none.

Ya'll could all try not to be jackasses about it."

"Surely we all stand to learn something from the more topics and contributors using a.net. If you can't see the point of the topic, quietly move on to the next one."


Well said, I couldn't agree more.

I'm sure there are plenty of riled up Boeing employees shouting abuse to the airbuses as they fly over Boeing Field on their way into SEA! This seems to be a natural progression to have happened as Airbus and Boeing are now the two major players in the field.

A couple of questions: Which Boeings operate around Airbus' HQ area?

Would it ever be likely (or possible?) to see an A380 at SEA? I would imagine it might be cargo rather than Pax. Do UPS have a presence at SEA?
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:22 pm

I think the 340 SAS has been around for awhile, and since you didn't mention pax only, don't forget this bad boy. UPS A300


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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:11 pm

You're right, N317AS, about the venerable A300, but UPS operates out of BFI, not SEA. FedEx, does however, operate out of SEA with the A300, or at least has before, in addition to other types (the mix of FedEx aircraft on the ramp is not very consistent, with Dc-10 and MD-11 usually found). Crownvic, I see your point. I love the vertical walls in the 747, but have never flown on a 'classic' example from NW. I have heard both pax and crew complain about the age of the airframes, and so drew the conclusion of the preferred A330s. Anyone have experience on the SAS 767 and A340? Just to set the record straight as to my point of this thread, and to preserve any dignity, I, as many of you have noticed a huge change in the industry lately. The 'glory' days of certain airports and airlines, SEA included, have passed. I think when obvious changes hit close to home it means something more. Personally, I never thought I'd see the day when NW would not have a 747 in SEA. I do not see a SEA-NGO route. My point was subtle, a little too subtle for some.
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:20 pm

You're right Mason. When I took that they were out of SEA though. At least that day they were.
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:46 pm

As far as the "ride", I totally disagree. I have traveled the NWA 742/744 many times from the U.S. West Coast to NRT. I recently took the 330-200 on a similar routing. To this day, there is nothing that flies like the Jumbo.

I agree- just flew SEA-NRT-BKK. All on the A330-200 in C class. The c cabin on an A330 just cannot compare to the B747 (nose or upper deck!)

As for the Big 'Buses we here in SEA will not be welcoming the biggest bus...
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:04 pm

Regarding SAS's B767s and A340s, they're both - more or less - the same in comfort, though I found the seats more comfortable... to be precise: less worn out... on the A340. And, for those that need it, the IFE with PTVs on the A340 is an advantage.

As for the first few, somewhat strange, replies... am I really reading this right? Someone complaining about an observation that planes, that were not seen at an airport not that long ago, are now being seen??? This from the same crowd that usually reports just about every first arrival of a new aircraft type at any given airport??? You folks really have to be kidding...

Others have said it, I'll agree - this thread is about a completely valid observation - nothing more, nothing less.

One more thing - there are several Boeings operating in and out of TLS each day, though, if not all, are the B737: BA, 8A, AT, U2, AH, KL are on today's schedule with B737s, and I have seen AF and LH also scheduling B737s there, though LH, today, uses nothing above a CRJ700 and AF, indeed, only uses A320-series aircraft.

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:14 pm

Quoting Amy (reply 23):
Which Boeings operate around Airbus' HQ area?


The usual bunch of 737s, some 757s and a (weekly, IIRC) 747 to RUN.


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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:32 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (reply 18):
The thread presumes that there was some attempt/effort/organized movement to ensure that Airbus wide bodies don't fly into Boeing's backyard. Unfortunately, the starter of the thread does not specify any of that. Calling someone an a##hole or a jackass for questioning the point of a thread that has no stated point is not wrong. I too was wondering what the point of the thread was.


I disagree. The thread presumes nothing more than that until recently Airbus widebodies were a rare sight at SEA (and that's only what I presume). All he's saying is that they're there, that seems to be the point of the thread, and while it may not interest some, it does interest others. Also, calling someone an a##hole or a jackass in this forum IS wrong, no matter what. We don't have to be disrespectful here.

Quoting Mariner (reply 21):
It may not be the most intellectually stimulating thread in the history of a.net, but it is completely valid, and somewhat more interesting - to me - than "why did airline A change their livery."


More interesting than the NW DC-9 threads? Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:37 am

Aeroflot flies into SEA with a 763 as well, used to be a 777.
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:29 pm

Wow, I had no idea I was going to start a war. Grow up, guys. Thanks for the constructive responses. At least some of us can behave like adults. Wow.

Mason, You did not start the war, as far as I can see, you simply made an observation and an interesting one at that. I agree with you on the ride comment, I never thought the 747 was the most comfortable aircraft to fly on myself. I once connected in SFO on the way to Hawaii. I got off a United DC10-30 and on to a United 747-200 within 50 minutes and the 747 was noisy and uncomfortable by comparison to the DC10. I always preferred the DC10 or the L1011 to the 747. I have not had the privilege of the 777 yet. A good friend of mine who spent years 'commuting' between YYZ and LHR on both AC and BA has said to me many times that he would take the A340 over the 777 any day because it was, in his opinion, much quieter and smoother and he always was more rested coming off the Airbus because of this. He also said that he felt more comfortable with the 2 extra engines on the A340.

Now Mason, if you think you started a war with your honest comment, it should go nuclear after what I just said.  Laugh out loud

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:09 pm

Back in the day, Eastern flew the FIRST widebody Airbus, the A300 into SEA.

Which is more than can be said for STL, who gets FedEx and that's IT!
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:31 pm

Gotta agree w/FyingDocWu, did 2 trips last month on NWA's A330 service to Narita. What a Disappointment!!

Bring back the 747's, Please!! While the new seats on the A330 we're ok and the IFE an improvement, nothing compares with the comfort and ride of the 747. Not to mention the speed. This flight is almost a 1/2 hour longer!! And since I usually carry my own DVD's (and there's a heck of a lot more music on my iPod) I didn't even bother using the IFE.

If NWA doesn't put the 74 back on this route, I'd much rather fly UAL or JAL's 777's. Smoother ride, full F class and much roomier cabin.

NWA - bring back the 74's or this high-yield passenger is going over to the other guys!!
 
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 5:04 pm

TrevD

You did the trip to NRT on NW on a A330 from SEA is that correct? Where in the world are you going to board JAL's 777's from? I know UA flights this route but JAL dropped it a long time ago. And the 777's don't even fly into North America at all for the time-being. UA makes sense but JL T7? You mean from NRT-LHR?

UA is the only competitor and UA does provide more seats but is there such high demand? I flew on a NW DC-10-30 a couple years ago from KIX-SEA but they even dropped this route. Infact, I think its impossible to get to SEA from KIX right now.
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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:31 pm

Thanks thats cool on the TLS-RUN...reminds me on another thread so that must be one of the longest "Domestic" Flights..RUN is a Metro France territory right Unlike PPT that doesn't have a nonstop flite to France anyway...

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RE: SEA Welcomes The Big 'buses

Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:15 pm

Quoting Crownvic (reply 22):
Although the 330-200 maybe technologically superior, the aircraft lacks lateral space. If your seated in the front cabin along the window, I found myself repeated bumping my head on the side wall due to the premature fuselage curvature.

I have thought this a number of times when traveling on Airbuses. I think that the passenger cabin is higher in the fuselage, making the walls curve inwards sooner than they do on the Boeings. I guess it give more space for cargo in the bottom. I'm sure I've read this somewhere, and I think it's noticeable. When I last flew on one (last week), my friend said it was claustrophobic.

You might think this is a bit sad, but a few years ago I spent 3 days in Seattle, and fell in love with the place (I like planes and I like coffee, what more do I have to say  Wink/being sarcastic). I would love to go back and spend some time spotting there. Just after we landed we were followed by a 737NG, and it was the first time I'd seen a 737 with winglets.

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