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Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:42 pm

On monday, an Easy Jet flight supposedly from GVA to CIA had its pilot landing in FCO airport instead !!! This I don't think changed much for the passengers inside the plane who were going to rome. It did however affect those passengers wanting to go back to GVA from CIA. Result, they had to find their own way back to GVA without a refund, just because of the Pilot's fault which also means the Airline's fault

1) Its good the fact of there having a refund for overbooking, delays and flight cancels

2)Does this sort of incident often happen ?
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:02 pm

They had the incident too early...
I think the new European rules start today only....
However, if they were already checked, the airline is responsible for the pax.. And with Easyjet parameters, the check-in was already closed when the pilot made his mistake.
Just one question: why didn't Easyjet send the plane from FCO to CIA? (or organize a bus for the pax)Of course, it has a cost. But it is cheaper than flying en empty plane back to GVA
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:09 pm

Quoting Teva (reply 1):
But it is cheaper than flying en empty plane back to GVA


Why? Less weight = less fuel = more $£$ for U2. They didn't give a refund the passengers remember.

The pilot should be sacked as well, moron.
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:19 pm

Surely the ATC controllers should have told him he was landing at the wrong airport?
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:28 pm

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU ACCIDENTLY LAND AT THE WRONG AIRPORT!

1, the flightplan from GVA to CIA would be in the FMC/FMGS

2, atc has the aircrafts flightplan

3, the approach plates used by pilots to set up landing would clearly say FCO with a plan of FCO's runway[s].

4, did they not realise on the radio that they were talking to FCO app & twr?

I don' t think 2 pilots can make this mistake, if they really did, THATS A DISGRACE, THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SLEEPING!

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:34 pm

If this is proven to be the pilots fault, I don't think he will have much more of a career at easyJet!

Unfortunate thing to have happened, you would think that with the amount of technology at the disposal of ATC and the pilots that such an event would never occur, but this has proven me wrong!

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:38 pm

You would have to think that easyJet would give their CIA-originating passengers more than just a speech about how they are up the creek without a paddle and not to ask for their assistance...

Otherwise, I'm not sure how tort works in the European Union, but I'm sure that there will be a lawsuit coming...
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:41 pm

Well, it is a LOT easier to get into rome from FCO than CIA, but getting into Rome obviously isn't everyones concern, but it would have actually been beneficial to me.

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:42 pm

What is the source of your information RootsAir?
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:50 pm

Here it is though in French ...its just mentioned in an article which concerns overbooking
It from a feench speaking newspaper called 24 heures
However here in Switzerland you have to pay to view archives of past editions so i haven't been able to find one that only mentions this incident. If I mangae to find an edition with an article about the incident I will scan the article and publish it here
http://www.24heures.ch/home/journal/...&art_id=45446&Rubrique=Gros+titres
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 7:57 pm

Hey everybody

http://www.lematin.ch/nwmatinhome/nw...actu_suisse/nuit_blanche_pour.html

I have finally been able to find an article thought its in french only. You could use the google language tools to translate the article if you wish so since I don't really have time now to translate it

It says that the PAX had to spend the night in CIA , and they were given no food or beverages during the whole night, which is very bad especially with young kids on board.

According to easy Jet there were verys trong winds on CIA but since other aircraft landed it increased the chances of the pilot having landed at the wrong airport.

Tuesday they finally got to GVA and police had to disperse the angry PAX .
EZS should finally refund them
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:15 pm

Whats going on......Forgetting your sector.
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:41 pm

Mel, a 9W staff once told me that their pilot landed a 737 at Juhu aerodrome instead of BOM. Is this true? or rather, is it possible for a 737 to land at Juhu?

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:53 pm

This happened once while I was working at LGW. An SQ 744 was descending into LGW but it wasn't ATC who queried it but the guy who controlled the gate allocations. " I think you should be heading for LHR" he told the pilot. And he was right. The pilot didn't respond or thank him for pointing out the error.

and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:23 pm

If EZY do sack that pilot, perhaps he could get a job with FR - I wouldn't mind it if FR services 'accidentally' ended up at airports located closer to the towns they purport to serve!
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting VictorTango (reply 12):
a 9W staff once told me that their pilot landed a 737 at Juhu aerodrome instead of BOM


9W pilots have landed at some wrong aerodromes in the past and have even landed on taxiways, but never at Juhu airport.

That said, JAL had a DC-8 try to mistakenly land at Juhu in 1972. It was the last flight that particular aircraft made alas.
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:52 pm

Would be interesting to hear a comment from Rick767 as an easyJet pilot.

This is a comment summarised from PPRuNe - the author is also a 737 pilot

Sometimes a Commander may not land at Ciampino and will go to Fiumicino instead. Usually in the case of the circling approach being in use at CIA. It is a demanding approach and if its a blustery night close to minima or part of the lighting is U/S then airmanship alone dictates it better to land at the other Rome airport a few miles away.

Under no circumstances are you going to get the two mistaken and accidently land at the wrong one. They are quite different in many fundamental repects.


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...9fdeeff73f229ecf2b&threadid=163762

So... it's unlikely it was an error, much more like a diversion.



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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:59 pm

I think Diesel1 is right, It's almost impossible that you land by mistake at an airport which is 18 miles away from your intended destination.
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:41 am


Quoting A319114 (reply 17):
It's almost impossible that you land by mistake at an airport which is 18 miles away from your intended destination.


Thats correct. Enough said.

 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:59 am

I landed at an airport in China (still have no idea where) on my way between Beijing and Guangzhou in a CAAC Trident. Nobody got out, nobody got in and no fuel was added. I always thought the pilot got the wrong place.
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:57 am

Back a few years (more than that now I suppose), a NW flight landed at BRU instead of FRA. The captain thought they were landing at FRA the whole time (till they broke out of the clouds on final) and even called approach and tower Frankfurt. Only the pax and FAs in the back knew they were going to the wrong airport because of a moving map display in the cabin. There were a few other factors contributing also, but it does show that this sort of thing can happen from time to time.

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:03 am

The article clearly says that the pilot went to FCO because strong winds prevented a landing at CIA.
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:12 am

>I'm not sure how tort works in the European Union, but I'm sure that there will be a lawsuit coming...<

Actually, the suit would likely come in contract, though depending on how EZS treated them, tort could be a possibility.
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:32 am

Unbelievable! Just sack the ATC guy and stop blaming the EZY pilots... At the end they go where ATC sends them. Furthermore, this new EU law is absolutely terrible for us LCC flyers. Ticket prices will go up, and I've never had one FR flight being cancelled or being late anyway.... I'll take the chance and pay less anytime.......... Stupid socialist governments........

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:47 am

Does anybody ready replies anymore? Its obvious here that it was not a mistake and it was done on purpose....

KL911:
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:26 am

When the weather gets too nasty at LGA some carriers will divert to JFK. It's only a few miles down the road, and they bus everyone over who needs to go there. Many just hop on their cell phones if they are getting rides and they get picked up at JFK.

I do know of an incident at Orange County Airport in New York where a DC-10 was on approach for them instead of SWF who is right down the road. ATC corrected that when they were about to touch down. They pulled up and made it to SWF a few minutes later.
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:29 am

The article clearly says that the pilot went to FCO because strong winds prevented a landing at CIA

A friend of mine that works for EasyJet in Geneva had assengers telling him it was wrong the info. They saw Ryanair airplanes landing at CIA so they don't see why EZY didn't too

[Edited 2005-02-17 19:30:20]
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:35 am


Regardless of what they are obliged to do, I think that a free bus from CIA to FCO might have been good PR.

Dumping a load of passengers at CIA and saying tough S*** is not a good way to run any business.
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting B747-437B (reply 15):
That said, JAL had a DC-8 try to mistakenly land at Juhu in 1972. It was the last flight that particular aircraft made alas.


Interestingly, a Soviet 4-propeller Illyushin aircraft (probably an IL-18) also landed at Juhu a few weeks after that JAL DC-8. The Illyushin was able to take off again from Juhu (empty).

In the 1950s, a BOAC comet landed at Juhu. That too was able to take off from Juhu after they stripped the plane of everything including seats.

On October 15, 1932 a Tata Airlines Puss Moth also landed at Juhu.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:06 am

Two other incidents that I can think of immediately involving a landing at the wrong airport...Im sure there are many others, but these sprung to mind immediately...

Northwest A319 headed to Rapid City, South Dakota (RAP), accidentally landed at nearby Ellsworth AFB, and they had to stay there with all windows shut for three hours IIRC...

A US Express Dash-8 landed at Philipsburg, Pennsylvania (PSB), instead of University Park/State College, Pennsylvania (UNV)...this case is a little different, however, as both PSB and UNV are non-towered airports...

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:25 am

Here is a list of several such events:

http://www.thirdamendment.com/wrongway.html
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:18 am

Is it any surprise that easyJet and Ryanair are the 2 most vocal opponents to new EU regulations giving passengers more rights to financial compensation.

Here is easyJet's opinion on the matter in a news piece entitled

New EU Passenger Compensation Rules - easyJet is committed to looking after its customers (surely it's a joke article?!) but warns that bad legislation will be damaging to the industry

http://www.easyjet.com/EN/News/20050216_01.html
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:39 am

Wasn't there a Continental 735 that was supposed to land at CRP a few years back and ended up landing at a small (similar-looking) municipal airport about 5 miles away by mistake? Anyone else remember that?

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:42 am

NASBWI, that's the first one that came to mind. Maybe it's the same captain? Probably just near sighted I guess...
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:48 am

>>>Wasn't there a Continental 735 that was supposed to land at CRP a few years back and ended up landing at a small (similar-looking) municipal airport about 5 miles away by mistake? Anyone else remember that?

Yep...

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:59 am

As far as ATC goes, sometimes controllers don't recieve the correct strips for the respective flights on their screens. The FMC is sometimes not used when the aircraft is approaching the airport, as the pilot manually inputs height and direction commands into the autopilot. If the controller has alot of flights on his scope, he'll stack 'em and thus the FMC won't be used. Let's say the controller didn't have the correct strip, and say he asks the pilot where he's going, and he (the pilot) says "Rome", the controller assumes he means FCO, and vectores him for Fiumicino instead of Ciampino. Listening to United's ATC audio feed when flying in the US, flying into Chicago (two major airports; ORD and MDW), I never heard "ORD" or indeed "O'hare" being mentioned. Same might be possible in this case.
In addition to that, who here thinks that low-cost pilots are the best at what they do? They work more hours than other pilots, and might not be paying that much attention.
By the way, imagine the pilot's reaction when he sees jumbos from around the globe at FCO and not the leisure and low-cost he would see att CIA!
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:50 pm

>Dumping a load of passengers at CIA and saying tough S*** is not a good way to run any business.<

It was not so much dropping people at FCO (not CIA) that was the problem (as they were going to Rome anyway). The problem was the PAX on the return flight to GVA and EZS apparently not doing anything to get them back

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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Fri Feb 18, 2005 2:58 pm

Only other that comes to my mind is .... my second stagecheck when gettin my private. Very embarrassing Smile
 
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:28 pm

"Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA"
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:43 pm

Yeah RightWayUp, like this:

Quoting KL911 (reply 23):
Unbelievable! Just sack the ATC guy and stop blaming the EZY pilots...


Being an ATC I can assure you pilots won't always "just go where you tell them" - especially if it's to land at an airport other than your destination...

I know this is a forum, but sometimes the lack of (any) substantial information is amazing!!! My laugh for the day...
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RE: Clumsy Pilots Lands In FCO Instead Of CIA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:00 am

Regardless of what they are obliged to do, I think that a free bus from CIA to FCO might have been good PR.

U2 hauled the stranded pax to FCO on a bus but by the time they arrived the aircraft had already departed FCO empty for GVA. This is because GVA's runaway closes at midnight and if they had waited for the pax they would have not been able to reach GVA before midnight. U2 decided it was better to take the aircraft back to GVA empty as to not disrupt the next day schedule of flights out of GVA. The stranded pax were left on their own in FCO. Most of them slept on the terminal and were accomodated into other U2 flights the next day.

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