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2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:43 am

I heard this on the radio this morning but can't find any news.

Apparently as US jet was backing out of the gate when it hit another US Airways plane.

Anyone have more details?
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:58 am

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/apress_021905_planesbump.html

Despite what the article says, the aircraft wasn't bound for CHO. US doesn't fly mainline into CHO.

The two aircraft involved were US 1023 to PHL (A321) and US 335 to CLT (A321).



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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:06 am

could this be another ramp crew mistake??

how do u back an a/c into another one? i thought ground control and the ramp ppl kept track of everything?
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:12 am

Despite what the article says, the aircraft wasn't bound for CHO.

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:14 am

Dimsum-Ever been to LaGuardia? It's a miracle this sort of thing doesn't happen more often there!
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:10 am

Oh dear, isn't it meant to be a competitor collides with another competitors aircraft?
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:55 am

I just forwarded this to Matt(Cancidas) he works for US there. He will find out the story and report. So there is no rumors.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:47 am

As for pushback with an aircraft, its hard to see whats directly behind the plane all the while keeping track of your wing man and your clearance with other aircraft. At UA I have to push back with one hand sometimes because while all that is going on your talking with the pilot. not as easy as it seems, especially at a congested airport like LGA and ORD.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:01 am

NIKV-Something obviously had to have happened, as both flights were in fact cancelled due to maintenence, whatever that means in this situation (presumably exactly what was mentioned above)
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:04 am

Sh*t happens

Just thankful nobody was hurt also I hope someone at LGA can snap some pics.

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:08 am

UALramperORD I agree it is a hard thing to do. Nevertheless these incidents should never happen, that's why people are trained.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting Hawk44 (reply 9):
Sh*t happens


For some odd reason, I can picture a bumber sticker of that plastered on a US plane somewhere... lol  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:17 am

UALramperORD is right on. I worked for two UX carriers at ORD, and there were plenty of idiots who would smack one a/c into another, even with the basic 2 wingwalkers. Not that it's harder to do it between F and G concourses at ORD than it is any other place. When I worked at GSP, where there is relatively little traffic, I'd get ansy sometimes when I was pushing back - with few to no other a/c around me. I'm sure it's tougher where UALramper is, especially with the traffic sometimes on Bravo and Charlie lines between the north and south ports. And I'm sure LGA is a mess, too. And the worst, sometimes, is that everyone involved has to take heat because one of the guys (the guy on the tug or maybe just 1 of the wingwalkers) wasn't paying attention for even a moment.

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:54 am

For some odd reason, I can picture a bumber sticker of that plastered on a US plane somewhere... lol


Only on planes leaving PHL

Just kidding of course I would never bite the hand that feeds me. Like someone said it just takes one person not paying attention and you have an expensive accident on your hands.

[Edited 2005-02-20 01:56:17]

[Edited 2005-02-20 01:57:18]
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:55 am

yes, two aircraft did colide on the ramp today during pushback. on was a A321 the other a A319. both a/c are still in LGA for mx. that's all i can say without getting into trouble.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:19 am

No registration numbers ?
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:15 am

Lindy,

Matt did us a solid confirming what was rumored, he can't say anything more. He a very loyal US employee and I respect that.

Must have been some pissed off pax if anyone can get any info on flight numbers or regis I would appreciate it. Wonder how damage there was.

SHUPirate,

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:25 am

does Airbus make bandaids  Smile
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:20 pm

Something like this happend one time at Lambert Airport St Louis when ground crew were playing around and backed a newly delivered Southwest 737 into another 737. Jobs were lost over that.
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:04 pm

I have to agree, LGA is packed even driving downthe service road can take forever with planes pulling in and out.

As far as pushback one thing ive noticed from my experience is that MANY drivers are so concentrated on the wheels, and rookies looking at the towbar that they forget that they have wingwalkers. I've myself witnessed wingwalkers trying to stop a pushback for long enough to hit something before the driver noticed them.

Although i dont know the actual position of the planes if it was two pushbacks or a taxi/pushback Ops shouldnt have let the two guys tango in the same alley.
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:55 pm

N163US was the A321. Don't know about the A319. Information on the A321 came off the ACARS server (only 2 321s are scheduled to RON at LGA last night; one of them was a 319 though, so the only 321 RON was 163).

I will try and hunt down the A319.

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:25 pm

Is it certain the other aircraft was a 319?

I checked flight status on the early morning 319 departures out of LGA - US263 to FLL, US869 to SJU, US2163 to DCA, US1479 to NAS, etc. - and all departed [relatively] on time. Though the 321's to PHL and CLT that depart around the same time were cancelled.



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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:31 pm

Just another example of lazy and poorly trained ground crew......
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:36 pm

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 22):
Just another example of lazy and poorly trained ground crew......


Were you there? Do you know all the circumstances surrounding the incident? If not, I don't know how much of a ground you have to stand on.



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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:38 pm

@N670UW....uh, how else would you explain this happening?...I mean, this is your job, this is what you are trained for. You are handling multi-million dollar airplanes and then you bump them into each other?....I'm sorry but I find this totally unexcusable...think of the money that will cost to repair the aircraft...and even if the damage is minimal...the money lost because surely this affected flight operations....and to add to it.....this is the LAST thing USAirways needs.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 2:57 pm

CORULEZ-Have you ever BEEN to LaGuardia? It would take Jeff Gordon to be able to drive a golf cart from the gates to the runway without hitting something, much less an airplane...
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:04 pm

@Shup....well it can't be that bad otherwise this kind of thing would happen daily.....I think it just comes down to lazy and unprofessional staff.......
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:11 pm

I think it could have been a combination of faults . I dont believe anyone specified if the plane was being pushed back or taxied.

heck it could be a pilots fault but heaven forbid someone blame anyone but the ramp crew. I worked on the ramp before and I know all too well how easy it is and how quick everyone is to blame them.

Its easy to say the ramp messed up but what if ops cleared both planes into the same area not knowing. Although ultimately ramp should have watched out they shouldn't be responsible for cleaning up everyone's mistakes.
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:13 pm

I heard on the news that only 2 ground crew members were backing the plane out of the gate instead of the usual 3. I don't know if that had anything to do with the accident.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_021905_planesbump.html
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:09 pm

Any body have the extent of the damage of both planes? Pics would be a BONUS here! Wish someone got some.

I am not going to enter the discussion about the ground crew, I hope Matt doesn't read that. Though I agree with CORULEZ05 you can't say US had a bad ground crew.

This is the last thing US needed.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:13 pm

For those of you , such as CORULEZ05, that have obviously never pushed back an aircraft.


You have, or supposed to have, a marshalling agent to your right and two wing walkers. If you , as the pushback agent, see anything out of the ordinary you simply halt the pushback. This is just my theory.....These aircraft were being pushed at the same time and some miscommunication occured between wingwalkers. Yes that seems simple, but it can happen at a very busy airport such as LGA.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:15 pm

"@Shup....well it can't be that bad otherwise this kind of thing would happen daily.....I think it just comes down to lazy and unprofessional staff......."


You are a moron CORULEZ
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:29 pm

problem here is the same as in many cases. there could be 100 hard working well trained and experienced rampers.... it only takes one screwup to give them all a bad rep  Insane
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:13 pm

Even the best trained people make mistakes. Unfortunatly this one cost two departures, and grounded the aircraft, which means not only do they cost money, but they're not making money. I have seen many stupid mistakes that have caused damages. Its one of those things you deal with when moving many cumbersome objects around in the same area.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:43 pm

On the local news last night, one of the rumors was that may have caused this 'wing bender', was that there were only 2 in instead of 3 'wingmen' guideing the 2 aircraft as they moved out. There were a lot of unhappy people as both a/c had high loads, both had to taken out of service, a long delay to remove luggage, that could not rebook many to later flights due to demand as a Saturday and the 1st day of a 3 day holiday weekend here (President's Day on Monday) and filled other flights. Apparently many pax missed connections to PHL to go to Jamacia, others missed connections to cruise ships later that evening. This accident happend around 7 am on Saturday. This kind of boo-boo is something US didn't need right now!
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 35):
I sure haven't pushed back an aircraft and will never......I'm getting an education....I have higher goals than that


What an arrogant and high handed comment to make, I'm not a ramper myself, however I have great respect for the guys (and a few ladies I'm sure) who go out in sometimes the worst weather and make sure our flights get off the ground. In what has been described as one of the most dangerous places to work. They are certainly professionals, but just like in every other job, people do make mistakes and accidents do happen.
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:02 am

NIKV69,

What are you talking about??? Registration number is not something that is confidental. I will know them no later then tomorrow morning from the public source. Thanks for nothing.

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 35):
I sure haven't pushed back an aircraft and will never......I'm getting an education....I have higher goals than that...they f$$ked up and it will cost the airline big time


You should realize that there are many people that work the ramp so that they can earn money for their higher educations. Many I knew have their bachelors and masters degrees. Please do realize that by saying that rampers are dumb and uneducated is in fact making YOU look dumb and uneducated.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:00 am

You didn't mention it directly, but by your pompous attitude, it sure implies it.

FYI: I was not directly insulting you. I was merely pointing out a direct conclusion to your indirect statement.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:42 am

It doesn't make anything easier that safety guidepersons are often junior members of the push crew. It's much easier to get distracted if you're walking the plane out than if you're pushing it out. Some of the new people that I work with think that walking behind the tug and then assisting in the disconnect is enough; it's definitely not, even though we rarely have problems with traffic and there are few obstacles. I've seen the space they work with in LGA, and they need as many wingwalkers as they can get. I try to convince my guide people that their job is the most important in a pushback operation. They don't seem to buy it, but it's the truth.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:08 am

The aircraft involved were N163US and N178US, both A321s.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:37 am

Lindy,

I never said they were, what I did say was that Matt could not give us any info on this other than it happened. US has a policy with it's employees about this. Since he is my US contact and a friend I did not post any of the info he told me. He then came on this thread and told us the most he could. I know for us and other non US people this is newsworthy and something to poke at but for Matt it is not. He takes his career and his job US very seriously. So I show respect.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 22):
Just another example of lazy and poorly trained ground crew......


Just another example of a stupid a$$ who has no idea what he is talking about keep your mouth shut about things you don't understand dude.

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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:19 pm

you know, people...if you just ignore corulez, he's bound to just go away eventually. this thread has gotten much worse than an a vs b thread. let him say whatever he wants and when he's bored because nobody is fueling the fire, it won't happen anymore.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting N670UW (reply 1):


They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? That seems like a pretty large plane for such a small distance. How many people could possible be taking that flight. Usaully they would use a CRJ.
 
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:41 pm

They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL? That seems like a pretty large plane for such a small distance. How many people could possible be taking that flight. Usaully they would use a CRJ.

Yes, an A321. The flight was completely full. It connects to the Caribbean bank at PHL.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:17 pm

@MTCHEM.........you're right. I admit that my comments have been extremly self centered and erroneous. I apologize to all those offended by my selfish and unfounded comments. I dont want to go away but instead I want to enjoy the forum along with everyone else. You all probably think I am the biggest snob and jerk there is but in reality.....I'm actually a pretty nice guy but with a big mouth lately. Again, my most sincere and deep apologies for everyone.

P.S.
I know this has nothing to do with the post but I thought I needed to apologize in this thread because of what I have said.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:22 pm

They would be flying a 321 from LGA to PHL?

Yes, as A330323X said, it's full of connecting passengers - in this case, most heading to the Caribbean. There's also an A319 a bit later (on weekdays anyway), that connects with some Florida cities.

Usaully they would use a CRJ.

True. Actually the more common aircraft on the route is the Dash 8 prop.

That seems like a pretty large plane for such a small distance.

It's US Airways - king of the large jet on the short flight, like the 757 on PHL-BWI.  Laugh out loud



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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:28 pm

CORULEZ05,

Take the warning you got from anet and use it as a learning experience. Put a little more thought in your posts and you will be fine. We are all adults here buddy!

I forgive you but I am not sure about the US employees here.
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RE: 2 US Airways Planes Bump Into Each Other At LGA

Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:52 pm

CORulez, why are you on this site? Do you love aviation? Do you fly alot? Do you take aviation pics? If you do and you come to TYS I will make sure to give you the finger. I have never in my life heard such ignorant banter. We , ramp rats, do a damn fine job for little pay. Why? Because we like what we do. Shut your mouth and get out of this forum, because you don't have what it takes to me am A.Nutter.




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