bravo7e7
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AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:03 am

Just wondering how Air France's first calss compares on the 343 to the 772. I believe that the 772 has a new first class which is a full flat bed. Is this correct? Also, is the 343 a similar product, or is it much older? I heard that AF is removing its F class on the 343. Can anyone confirm this, because I am booked in first on the 343 in July?

Also, what is the F class on AF like on the 320?

If anyone has any pics of first class in the 343 or 320 i would appreciate it.

Thank you
 
ZRH
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:18 am

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (reply 0):
I believe that the 772 has a new first class which is a full flat bed.


Can you fly any first class without full flat bed, while the most new business classes already have it (for example Swiss on A 343 or Lufthansa). I think a class without full flat bed you can't call anymore "first class". I wouldn't pay for it.
 
gigneil
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:24 am

Eventually, the AF 343s will have no first class at all.

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bravo7e7
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:27 am

Gigneil, do you know how long the transformation will take? If I am booked in F in July does that mean it will still have it?
 
mindscape
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:28 am

Hi BRAVO7E7,

If you have booked on AF A343, then you will get the old F class seats. Indeed, only B777 (200 and 300) will get new seats (First, Biz and also Economy). AF B744 and A343/A332 will only get 2 class configuration with new interiors. Presently, only AF B773 have new F class seats. B772 still have the old F class seats as well but they will be replaced later this year.

Bon voyage !
 
bravo7e7
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:32 am

Anyone know how to tell if my a/c will have the new config?

Thanks
 
707437
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:34 am

I took an AF A320 flight from BCN-CDG in "Business" class. The A320 had a std. 3+3 across arrangement but in business the center seats are converted to tables/consoles by folding a portion of the seatback downward, with the same economy seat width. And with decent food and drinks for a short flight.

So it isn't really a first class setup at all but it does have a few extra inches of pitch and the center seat is always empty and used as a table. Essentially there is no first class equivalent on this A320 but it may be worth a few extra bucks.

IN the US market the same scenario would've been a 2+2 across with wide seats and 36" pitch. . . for domestic hops

Now of course AFs widebody seating is entirely different. The 772 that I was on, CDG-JFK had 7 across in business and 6 across in first. The first class seat appeared to be lie flat (or close enough to it). I was in business and the seats were about 160 degrees ??? and I slept all the way from the Irish Coast to Long Island. . .
 
bravo7e7
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:41 am

http://seatguru.com/airlines/Air_France/Air_France_Boeing_777-200.php

This shows F as being four across. Is this going to be the new layout on the 772?
 
707437
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:53 am

As of November 2004 the 772 first class was 2+2+2 and biz 2+3+2 I didn't bother to see what economy was. The first class had conventional looking seats not the semiprivate suites. Remember that six across on a 772 is a lot of room and first class was 2 rows as I remember it.

The FA said that they were going to upgrade both the F and biz classes on the 772 and busses. . . . But he seemed to think that this would be a long term project.

Maybe I was on the old dog of the fleet, it was different from what is shown on seatguru. . .

Why the interest BRAVO7E7? Are you planning a trip on AF? Where to?
 
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting 707437 (reply 8):
As of November 2004 the 772 first class was 2+2+2 and biz 2+3+2 I didn't bother to see what economy was.


AF economy is 3+3+3
I have a three post per topic limit. You're welcome to have the last word.
 
bravo7e7
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:09 pm

Another question:
Is the 77w the 773?
 
jobalas
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:47 pm

yes, 77W is the new 777-300
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la Terre...
 
QantasHeavy
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:45 pm

77W is the designation for a 777-300ER. 773 is a standard 777-300.
 
FlySSC
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:33 pm

The "First Class" seats are exactely the same on all AF's long-haul planes :

B744 (13 P) , B772ER (12 P), A343 (6 P), A332 (6 P). Same seats. Same pitch. Full flat bed.

First Class in A332 & A343 :

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For the moment, the B773ER are the only a/c to be fitted with the New First Class seats (8 P ).

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The B772ER will be fitted with the new First Class seat (8 P), and later the A380 (9 P).

The B744, A343 and A332 are progressively reconfigured in a J/Y version. No more "First Class."

The New Business Class seats :


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There is no First Class in the A320.
 
FlySSC
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:51 am

BRAVO7E7,

Tell me where & when you'll fly AF. I'll tell you which plane (and which config.) you'll have...  Big grin
 
bravo7e7
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RE: AF 343 Vs. 772 In F

Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:28 am

FlySSC, thanks.
My international segments are as follows:

July 06, 2005
IAD-CDG
5:10P.M-6:30A.M
772 Flight #39

July 20, 2005
CDG-CVG
10:20A.M-1:25P.M
343 Flight #382


Thanks for your help. if neither of my segments is in the new first I might just change. Is JFK the only east coast city served by the new first class 77W?

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