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CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:50 pm

I noticed that on somedays this summer, CO has added a third flight (flight 104) departing at 10:00 pm for LGW from EWR. And flight 105 departing LGW to EWR at 12:00 pm, in addition to the two other daily 777 flights on that route. Both these newly added flights on booked for a 757 aircraft. Is this just seasonal or will these aircrafts be upgraded to 767's. Any info. I know this is a popular route and don't understand why they would only use a 757.

[Edited 2005-02-21 04:51:28]

[Edited 2005-02-21 04:53:09]
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Falcon84
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:04 pm

I would imagine it's summer season add-on's.
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:21 pm

I noticed that too. I agree, I think it's a seasonal route. I don't know why they would put a 757 on that route, though. I think atleast a 767 would be suitable for that route. But whaddo I know?!
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:26 pm

It is great to see a fine aircraft being used to its full potential and still making money. . . How many other narrowbodies can do this route in mainline service?

The Boutique service PrivatAir excepted.
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:33 pm

Does anyone think CO will bring back a morning EWR-LGW flight?
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:28 pm

An A319 could do the route easily. That doesn't mean it's a good idea... since each slot pair is worth $100s of millions.
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:17 pm

You have to pay for "slot pairs" between EWR and Gatwick? Are you sure?
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:20 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (reply 5):
An A319 could do the route easily. That doesn't mean it's a good idea... since each slot pair is worth $100s of millions.


Great Circle Mapper lists EWR-LGW at 3483 km, and while I would agree that the A319 could just about do it, it certainly could not do it easily. Privateair with 40 odd passengers does not count compared to the 757 with 172 passengers.
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:28 pm

Quoting 707437 (reply 3):
It is great to see a fine aircraft being used to its full potential and still making money. . . How many other narrowbodies can do this route in mainline service?


Well, the DC-8, 707, Il-62, VC-10, Concorde, ... to name a few, and lets not forget props such as the DC-7C!

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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:58 pm

Great news!

Nice to see an additional LGW-NYC service as Continental are the only airline operating to the city. I am surprised other carriers have not started a service between LGW and NYC.

The route must be going well...

As last year they operated a 764 and a 777 on the two flights a day, with them offering two 777 services and 752 service this gives them an additional 300+ seats a day in each direction!
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:20 pm

i would love to see moring service back on the ewr-lgw route...and to think we used to tdo it with the 764
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:22 pm

on what days is this? im not seeing anyhing yet
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:14 pm

When did CO drop the morning EWR-LGW departure?
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:18 pm

CALMSP, try this "MKDEWRLGWD*HA", it will show you full CO schdl for the market
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:20 pm

Donder 10:

"When did they stop morning service?"

After 9/11


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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:38 pm

A 757 add-on makes perfect sense - it holds essentially the same number of pax as the 762, and is better suited to carrying leisure/holiday traffic (esp. since demand for TATL premium seats becomes very weak during the summer months).
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:57 am

Continental have a comparitively small widebody fleet, on earlier threads were lists showing how all 777s and 767s are fully scheduled for services which need the capacity and range of these, often flying two nine hour sectors A DAY. So that's why the only thing CO can do when they add more transatlantic flights is to use a 757 originially flying a domestic or regional route (replacing it by a new 738 or ex ATA 753).
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:08 am

Wow, and I thought CO had something against CLE using a 757 for our seasonal service. Guess if their using a 752 from EWR, too we shouldn't feel so bad. But it is true they do have a small widebody fleet. 18 772s, 10 762s, and 16 764s. They have more 757s alone than total widebodies. What surprizes me it they still have a few 762s of domestic routes. I would think they would pull those for international duty.
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:25 am

"Great Circle Mapper lists EWR-LGW at 3483 km"

Actually Artsyman it's 5606 km,

or 3483 statute miles,

or 3028 nautical miles.


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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:20 am

Actually Artsyman it's 5606 km, or 3483 statute miles...
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just a typo... we both had 3483,

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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:29 am

UA are going to be using a Saab 340 in their new summer schedule under some sort of code-share. That must take a while surely? Mind you, I'd prefer it to getting on a 737 to cross the pond.
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:39 am

During the winter, EWR-LGW is operated by a B777 and a B764, however during the summer it is 2 B777's anyway, so the only addition is the extra flight.

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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:57 am

115JULEWRLGW¤CO
15JUL FRI EWR/EDT LGW/5
CO RESPONSE ** DIRECT CONNECT PARTICIPANT **
7CO 18 J7 D7 Z7 Y7 H7 K7 N7 B7 V7*EWRLGW 650P 640A 1 777 0
U7 Q7 I7 S7 W7
8CO 28 J7 D7 Z7 Y7 H7 K7 N7 B7 V7*EWRLGW 825P 825A 1 777 0
U7 Q7 I7 S7 W7
9CO 104 J7 D0 Z0 Y7 H7 K0 N0 B0 V0*EWRLGW 1000P 1000A 1 757 0


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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:18 am

I think this is a great idea for CO. They should use more 752s on the route and conserve widebodies, especially 777s. They will offer the similar capasity with more frequency which translates to more convienant times for biz traqvelers. I can't find the new service on the electronic timetable - and I just downloaded a current schedule too. The 752s have almost and identical amount of seats as the 762s.
757 183 seats, 24 F 159 Y
752 172 seats, 16J/F 156 Y
762 174 seats, 25J/F 149 Y
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:18 am

It is a Summer add on. Saying that, I saw a 752 here the other week, something I have not seen in the winter months here at LGW very often,

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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:40 am

Quoting Ramerinianair (reply 23):
757 183 seats, 24 F 159 Y


Do you mean 753?
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 10:55 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (reply 25):
Quoting Ramerinianair (reply 23):
757 183 seats, 24 F 159 Y


Do you mean 753?


He was talking abou thte domestic version of the CO 757-200, which CO lists in their timetable as '757'.
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:10 pm

Yes indeed - I was referring to the Dom. version. They call the int version a 752 and the dom version a 757. I thought the 757-300 was 752 in the schedule.
Anyway, I still can't find the schedule update??
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:16 pm

One of the couple of places you can see the update is on AA's website. If you select "all carriers" when searching flights, you can see it. Props for AA on letting other airlines use their site as a place to book other airlines. It makes it easy to compare flights and schedules even other than AA.
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:29 pm

>since each slot pair is worth $100s of millions.<

Maybe at LHR, but not at LGW.

>Props for AA on letting other airlines use their site as a place to book other airlines. It makes it easy to compare flights and schedules even other than AA.<

UA does the same thing.

>Do you mean 753?<

The 753 has far more than 183 seats.

This is pretty obviously an add on that is based on what the demand is (low yield, not a lot of cargo) and what CO has in its fleet (lots of 757s, no widebodies available).
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:44 pm

on what days is this? im not seeing anything yet.

Looking in availibility at work today, it seems to be a Friday/Saturday only flight EWR-LGW, and a Saturday/Sunday return LGW-EWR. Just the weekend add-on, which is a nice idea. probably will make money head over heels for us.
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:49 pm

Quoting GoCOgo (reply 17):
What surprizes me it they still have a few 762s of domestic routes. I would think they would pull those for international duty.


The 762 dom flts usually are btwn mx cntrs. Sending the a/c, lets make a buck.

Quoting RamerinianAir (reply 27):
They call the int version a 752 and the dom version a 757.


The 757 version will being disappearing. I heard the mx cntrs are setting them up as 752. We need the a/c for the routes announced for the summer.
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:40 am

actually

752=200
753=300
75B=international
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:41 am

Eventually you will almost never see a 757 let alone wide bodie working a domestic flight unless of course it is for like RDUCO said. Soon CO will be like SWA with first class but only the most dynamic international route structure out of any US carrier.
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:44 am

excuse me let me correct myself

actually


757 = 757-200 with 24 F/A seats
75B = 757-200 with Business First
75L = 757 – 300
 
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RE: CO Using 757's On EWR-LGW

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:56 pm

In the schedule, the 752 is the 757 configured with the Biz/First seats and the 757 has the standard Domestic first seats.
RDUCO,
I though that only another 15 a/c were being configured to the 752 configuration for the new Europe service. It wouldn't make sence for the 752 to fly domestic routes - No need for the biz/first seats on 3 hr dom. flights.
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