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Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:45 pm

Just wondering if in the post 9/11 world if airline dispatchers can still jump seat? Or when dispatchers do jump seat it is more of a don't ask don't tell situation.
 
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:48 pm

maybe its different in the states, but in Canada, you must be an active company employee.
 
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:48 pm

Active dispatchers can jumpseat on their own airlines... The dispatcher's ability to jumpseat on other airlines will come back in earnest once their airline participates in a program that allows airlines to verify employment and JS eligibility...
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:44 pm

Active dispatchers can still jumpseat offline, however are assigned cabin seats just like off line pilots per the carriers jump seat agreements.

The FAA has begun the implementation of a program that opens up cockpit jumpseats again to offline crew members.
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:54 pm

Yes.
Out here any Licenced Personnel in an Airline can Jump seat.A list of Authorised personnel is Issued to all concerned.Renewed Frequently.

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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:50 am

FAA already has the system of varification of employment up and running, we have access to it using AOP systems at NW.. HOWEVER, not many other carriers do yet, so the list of carriers now allowed to try to sit back up front is still small, restricted to those of like UPS, AA, FedEx and just a handful of others... More will come online soon I'm sure. As far as dispatchers jumpseating... not only do they ride up front sometimes... but by FARs they Have to ride up front a certain number of times each year on their carrier.... I'm not in dispatch so I can't answer the more specifics of it... but sure one of them could for you...

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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:51 am

Licensed Dispatchers should jumpseat "the line," and pilots should help in Dispatch on a rotational basis. This would let pilots get on the ground for a time--get Dispatchers out of the office--giving everyone more data points when decision making.

When someone is in the actual jumpseat they are briefed as part of the flight crew--and an extra pair of eyes is always appreciated.
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:19 am

>>>but by FARs they Have to ride up front a certain number of times each year on their carrier

The minimum requirement is 5 hours of cockpit observation time each year, taken in the same month as one's recurrent training month although individual airlines may have more extensive requirements.

I had training this last week, and have to finish my 5 hours bu the end of the 28th, so I'll be doing some flying this weekend...  Big grin
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:24 am

My company wants us to go beyond the minimum, but it's not required.

Look that is this way, OPNL -- at least you won't have to worry about getting kicked off a flight with NO alternate, let alone WITH an alternate. No, we are not given priority.
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:41 am

It is good news to see that dispatchers will be able to sit j/s on other
carriers, especially for someone like me who is going to hopefully get
my dx licence in the next couple of months.
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:55 am

>>> especially for someone like me who is going to hopefully get
my dx licence in the next couple of months.

Well, just to make sure that you're aware, just getting the license doesn't allow you in the JS. You still have to be an active dispatcher with the airline, and being an airline employee (in some other capacity) with a license doesn't qualify...


>>>My company wants us to go beyond the minimum, but it's not required.

We used to do three days, but our labor group and the company agreed to cut it down to two. Personally, I still make it a point to do three, and intentionally seek out thunderstorm days, fog days, and winter ops days, since all three create distinctly different operating challenges....
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:17 am

I would love to do that same, except that it's so damn hard to get on a plane when it's not 10 and clear. :P
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:23 am

OPNLguy,

Thanks for the heads up, but I was already aware of what you stated above.
However your idea to do your cockpit obs time during IROP situations is an
excellent way to see how it is handled out in the field.
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:23 am

Licensed Dispatchers should jumpseat "the line," and pilots should help in Dispatch on a rotational basis. This would let pilots get on the ground for a time--get Dispatchers out of the office--giving everyone more data points when decision making.

When someone is in the actual jumpseat they are briefed as part of the flight crew--and an extra pair of eyes is always appreciated.

252MKR,

Well said. I especially liked the part about the pilots helping out in Dispatch from time to time. While most fllight crews are cool, there are those that seem to think that their flight is the only flight the Dispatcher is involved with. It would help them to see all the things dispatchers do, and how many have absolutely NOTHING to do with flights.

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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:46 am

I too would like to see more of flight crews within the office. As is the case in many offices, what little time they spend is usually a "gee-whiz look at all the computers" kind of PR walk-thru that lasts about 5-10 minutes. If they spent 5 -hours- sitting in with me on a shift to observe (as I do, on the flight deck) they'd come away with a much better understanding of (1) what I do, (2) what hoops I have to jump through to do it, and (3) what they could do "on the line" to help optimize the overall process from their end.

Someday....  Big grin
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:38 pm

I think all airline positions should get to spend a few hours minimum in other airline positions observing... like flight attendants should see what goes on at the gate, pilots on the ramp, rampers as flight attendants... etc.. etc... etc... if everyone had just a better understanding of what goes on in the shoes of their fellow employees the whole operation might be a little more tolerant and respectful to each others needs and actually might function more efficiently...

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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:15 pm

ThePinnacleKid,

PeopleExpress had a similar policy to what you proposed when they were in
business like pilots on the ramp or flight attendants taking reservations etc.
The only position that did not do this "cross utilization" was dispatch for the
obvious reasons.
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:10 pm

yeah, if I remember right, back pre 9/11 at American we had a program called something like "Walk a Mile" where you "walked a mile" in someone elses shoes.. we had a few flight attendants spend the day on the ramp, and pilots joined the rampers, etc... just to see the jobs.. it was really really unique.. but I left AA after about a year when I moved away from dfw to go to school... not sure if it continued past 9/11 or if it was sacrificed... the little over 3 yrs now at pinnacle I have never heard of us having any kind of cross job role exposure.. never really looked into it though here...

-Chris
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:43 am

I hope this isn't out of line, but what are the job prospects for a newly licensed dispatcher? If he/she is willing to relocate anywhere and wages are not an issue.

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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:02 am

The prospects are great. There are two sides of the con here -- higher wages vs. lifestyle. I chose higher wages in exchange for living in a small city. It's nice, yes, but can get boring if you are a party person.
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:20 am

>>>LPLAspotter

Here's some wage/benefit info that may help you and others that may be looking. There's also a link to a DXBOARD, although it doen't see the level of message traffic that the Yahoo! Group (that I mentioned earlier) does...

http://wdff.homeip.net/
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RE: Can Dispatchers Still Jump Seat?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:37 am

Any chance we will see FAM flights for air traffic controllers again?

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