timz
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China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:08 am

Yesterday 21 Feb I saw a China Air 744 turning final for rwy 19 at SFO, and it seemed to be coming in from the east, not the NW like you'd expect. Sure nuff, if you http://www4.passur.com/sjc.html and zoom out to 80 miles, it appears at the east edge of the map at about 11:17:25, coming in from BNA.

I didn't get a chance to see if it was cargo or not-- in any case, what's it about?
 
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:09 am

It was Cargo.

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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:13 am

Cargo for the Nissan assembly plant in Smyrna,Tenn. Frontier pickups,Maxima and Altima are assembled there.
Also there is Nissan Parts Distribution Center (PDC) there . Alot of Nissan parts are made in Japan.

[Edited 2005-02-22 22:15:37]
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:34 am

i thought it was because of the Dell distribution center in Nashville and the fact that most Dell parts from from Taiwan.

actually...i didnt know it went on to SFO after BNA. i thought its next stop was DFW. maybe it does different cities on different days?


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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:55 am

UPS Supply Chain Solutions won a contract with Dell computer back in 2001 for forwarding freight in from China. UPS Supply Chain Solutions outsourced more than 300 flights a year, 6 day a week frequency to China Airlines. I'm sure it was political. UPS just won 3 more frequencies to China. In March UPS will operate 18 flights per week to China. Early next year that will be upped to 21. UPS also operates it's own network within China by acquiring long time partner Sinotrans.

To sum it up that is a UPS flight outsourced to China Airlines.
 
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:42 am

Quoting United_Fan (reply 2):
Cargo for the Nissan assembly plant in Smyrna,Tenn. Frontier pickups,Maxima and Altima are assembled there.
Also there is Nissan Parts Distribution Center (PDC) there . Alot of Nissan parts are made in Japan.



Why would a Chinese carrier bring in parts for a Japanese Product? I would think JAL or ANA would fly in the parts.

Quoting Chrisjake (reply 3):
i thought it was because of the Dell distribution center in Nashville and the fact that most Dell parts from from Taiwan.


I agree with this one
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:53 am

The cargo is mainly for Dell and every once and a while, there will be some cargo for Cracker Barrel ("made in Taiwan" stuff). During the Christmas holidays, Dell pumps out computers like crazy and we tend to get an extra delivery a few times a week for about a month. Southern Air has helped out in the past.

The flight generally leaves empty, or very close to it and heads for SFO, DFW and sometimes ORD.
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:08 am

Fedex, NWA Cargo and Polar Air also received more slots into China. So saying UPS received these slots because they chose China Air Cargo is far from the truth. China Airlines isn't even a Chinese carrier.
 
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:14 pm

>China Airlines isn't even a Chinese carrier

in fact you would think that anyone who gave a bone to CI would get blacklisted by Beijing as CI is still the "flag carrier" for Taiwan! Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:21 am

Ramprat74,

Please excuse me for your misunderstanding. I'm sure you know a lot about politics. UPS will open an air hub in Shanghai in 2007. What about the others? UPS was the first to take full control of their operations in China without a partnership. I guess politics had nothing to do with any of it. If UPS has their own airline then why is UPS using China Air Cargo for this flight?
Please don't call me a liar.
The question was about the flight into Nashville and had absoltley nothing to do with Fed Ex, Polar or NWA. The flight was contracted by UPS on behalf of Dell Computers. The contract was awarded in August 2001 to UPS supply Chain solutions.

UPS will pay Sinotrans $100 million to transfer control of operations in 23 cities, starting with Shanghai, Guangzho, Shenzhen, Tianjin and Qingdao in January.
The agreement is the first in the air express arena since China agreed under World Trade Organization standards to allow non-Chinese cargo companies to set up their own wholly-owned subsidiaries in the fast-growing market.
China has required foreign express and freight operators to set up joint ventures with Sinotrans to do business in the country and various units of Sinotrans have had working ventures with virtually every cargo operator since the 1980s.

UPS said the agreement announced Dec. 1 covers only 23 cities, including Beijing, and that Sinotrans will still operate as an agent for UPS in some parts of China, including many of the 200 locations UPS connects to from its main express centers. A UPS official in Asia said Sinotrans has agreed not to compete with UPS in the areas in which UPS will take control of its express operations.

UPS says its export volume out of China grew 129 percent in the third quarter and was up 90 percent in the first nine months of this year over last year.
 
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RE: China Air Nashville-SFO?

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:35 am

Hey UPS Pilot, he didn't call you a liar, he was simply trying to politely correct your mistake. We are all sure that there was some political give and take in UPS getting the Chinese mainland cargo flights rights. However, as Ramprat74 & Trex8 correctly pointed out, UPS' deal with China Airlines' cargo unit based out of Taipei, Taiwan and governed by the Republic of China, would have no bearing on any deal that UPS makes with the Peoples' Republic of China where you will find the cities of Beijing, Guangzho, Shenzhen, Tianjin and Qingdao, etc...

It's like saying that having an agreement with United Airlines will help you broker a deal with the Canadian government.
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