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Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:31 am

I have just read the speech and presentation that Air NZ CEO Ralph Norris presented to a transport forum.

Here is the link to the presentation and transcript.

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/inves...orcentre/presentations/default.htm

What do you think are the possible new opportunities in North America???

Possibly YVR, JFK??? what do you think?

Would the 777-200ER or 787 be able to operate AKL/JFK direct?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:38 am

Glad to see this expansion. The 777LR would be able to operate AKL-JFK nonstop but not the ER. The 787 would be close, but i'm not sure if it could do it.
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:04 am

Well, JFK would probably be a no-brainer and either YVR or YYZ for Canada. Additional US destinations, well ORD and DFW come to mind. NZ has had a history with DFW in the 80s, I could see them eyeing Dallas once again. However I suspect ORD would probably be given the nod as it's just too large and tempting a destination.

I would like to say IAH, but I am realistic  Nuts. I am just happy the PK is going to tough IAH out and that AI recent comments looks promising.

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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:08 am

YYZ would prob be too far for a direct service from NZ, however NZ could operate AKL-HNL-YYZ, and YVR direct.
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:10 am

to LAS would be interesting, but it would probably not happen
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:12 am

I would guess YVR with the Star connection, or possibly a ORD service.

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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:21 am

Good to see that NZ is continuing to expand. The new destination/s would be a Star hub
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:35 am

Would love to see NZ at ORD! Who knows, it may happen in 20 years.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:45 am

Quoting NoMoreRJs (reply 7):
NZ at ORD! Who knows, it may happen in 20 years.

Who knows, it may happen sooner
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:51 am

Will welcome NZ to the Northwest. AKL-YVR or AKL-SEA, maybe even AKL-PDX?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:18 pm

ORD is a Star Alliance hub, great connections, and huge O&D market. I think this would happen before YVR, SEA, or PDX. DFW was a big flop years ago. Don't expect to see NZ at DFW unless AA dumps QF for NZ. But I don't work for NZ or UA, I just read this forum and enjoy the posts from others. I wish them the best with their choice and glad to see any future routes will be on Boeing equipment!
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:02 pm

YVR makes sense as they can codeshare on connecting flights to points within Canada with star Alliance partner AC.

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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:03 pm

One of the most intersting slides in this presentation is found on http://www.airnz.co.nz/resources/db_conf_preso_2004.pdf
This is a typical Boeing range chart showing ranges for the 767-300ER, 777-200ER and -300ER and the 787 measured from AKL.
This gives a pretty good idea of what is achievable with these types out of AKL.
If it is typical of Boeing charts the range is probably based on max. passenger load and 80% winds.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:10 pm

Acapulco and Cancun, Mexico, were discussed as two possible NZ mid way destinations on possible flights to Europe.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1945785/

Interesting. Check out the map in the second-to-last reply. The question wasn't answered: Why not?

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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:23 pm

AEROHOTTIE mentioned AKL/HNL/YYZ. Of all of the defunct/dormant AC routes, YYZ/HNL/YYZ is probably the most requested, "missed" route. In addition to large numbers of Canadians connecting thru LAX daily to New Zealand, it would be a no brainer filling a flight to HNL on a regular basis. The volumes are there, but AC cited the YYZ/HNL route as being amongst the lowest yielding, and least profitable. Could NZ make it work?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:30 am

Don't rule out ORD or EWR.
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:47 am

anybody for AKL-DEN?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:16 am

I'm just waiting like most people now to see what comes out, well soon know in a few hours time, when the hold there meeting, and live web cam , which i'm waiting for! anything would be great now, that the airline is in a stronger place then 5 years ago! maybe mainland CHINA!! oh please ..
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:21 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ:
AEROHOTTIE mentioned AKL/HNL/YYZ. Of all of the defunct/dormant AC routes, YYZ/HNL/YYZ is probably the most requested, "missed" route. In addition to large numbers of Canadians connecting thru LAX daily to New Zealand, it would be a no brainer filling a flight to HNL on a regular basis. The volumes are there, but AC cited the YYZ/HNL route as being amongst the lowest yielding, and least profitable. Could NZ make it work?


Well, if a 777-200LR or a 787 could do YVR-AKL or YYZ-AKL without having to stop in HNL in either direction, I can tell you it would be a definite plus since that would mean no one has to go through US customs in addition to NZ and Canadian customs. Also, the US visa requirement would not be a problem. (Although Canadian citizens are exempt from this, I don't know about NZ or even Australian passengers)
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:31 am

Quoting DLKAPA (reply 16):
anybody for AKL-DEN?


I am all for it! However, I find it unlikely. DEN has good Star connections but not enough O&D traffic IMO. I have yet to see the new 16,000' runway attract new long haul service. Could NZ be first?
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:35 am

Would be nice to see more NZ flights to HNL, even as a stop-over point. AKL-HNL-AKL is now down to 2 flights per week (Mondays & Fridays @ HNL), down from 14 flights per week. From a 743 to a 763.
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:45 am

YYZ would prob be too far for a direct service from NZ

YYZ is shorter than JFK: (7,488NM) vs (7,671NM) 777-200ER range is (7,730NM)

I would think they would look at JFK, ORD, YYZ, YVR, and maybe DFW.

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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:02 am

I checked out the rumour with my NZ sales rep this morning. Rumour around NZ is they will go into ORD, YVR is a strong possibility but may not happen this time around. I can see NZ (my opinion) looking at SEA ,EWR and YYZ?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:13 am

If it is AKL-ORD you have two options fly on from LAX or SFO with no cabotage rights or fly a southern route. If you fly a southern route your either stopping in Mexico or Tahiti or a combination of both.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:16 am

I can't see SEA,PDX,DEN happening. ORD yes, DFW yes, YVR/YYZ yes one or the other,JFK possibly, but probably via somewhere first. It will fit into the Star network infrastructure, but it has to have a market, and UA used to operate through to ORD. I think that is the most obvious one.
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:40 am

The "show" promised for 9am Thursday, NZ time is not yet up on the AIrNZ web site. Thus far all we know from the N.Z. Herald site is that AirNZ are going to do a twice a week round the world freight service with a 747-400 presumably on a wet lease. This will replace the present joint arrangement they have with LH.
Nothing on new destinations for passenger services. Frankly I think it is a way too early for them to disclose these; it would be at least a year before they could introduce such services.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:29 am

LHR might be dropped therefore changing what might be possible.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting Zkojh (reply 17):
and live web cam ,

Could someone please post the link to the live web-cam option
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:01 am

Just read on NZs web-site, that a B744 will be leased from Atlas Air and will provide twice weekly round the world freighter service, this will replace the LH MD11 freighter code share. Route will be Auckland – Melbourne – Shanghai – Frankfurt – Chicago – Auckland. Flight will depart AKL on Saturdays and Tuesdays. Service will start at the end of March 2005.

Also NZ also confirmed today that AKL-SFO will be the first route to offer the re-fitted B744, followed by selected AKL-LAX routes then LHR will follow. SFO is expected to be by August with NZ1 and NZ2 by the end of the year (AKL-LAX-LHR).

Also NZ announced its new names for its new cabins on the B744s and B772ERs. The names are "Business Primier", "Pacific Premium Economy" and "Pacific Economy"


http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/mediacentre/pressreleases/default.htm
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:08 am

As much as I'd flip over NZ coming to DFW, there's really no viable reason aside from a nice geographic location (DFW). No Star connections, not much of an O&D market between the two at all, etc. ORD would be ideal, if any location is to be considered.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:39 pm

I was really bored today, and did a bit of a schedule. I did more than what is on here though, and included Aus connections etc etc. Hope you enjoy

New Zealand Outbound Flights
Origin Destination Flight Time Departure Arrival

Christchurch (CHC) Los Angeles (LAX) 1245 2330 1615

Auckland (AKL) New York (JFK) 1605 1825 1730

Auckland (AKL) Chicago (ORD) 1505 1855 1600

Auckland (AKL) Vancouver (YVR) 1300 2025 1325

Auckland (AKL) San Francisco (SFO)1155 1925 1120

Auckland (AKL) Los Angeles (LAX) 1155 1955 1150

Auckland (AKL) Toronto (YYZ) 1640 (1810)1210 2215 via Honolulu (HNL)
Honolulu (HNL) Toronto (YYZ) 835 2345 1320




New Zealand Inbound Flights
Origin Destination Flight Time Departure Arrival

Los Angeles (LAX) Christchurch (CHC) 1330 2015 0545

New York (JFK) Auckland (AKL) 1720 1920 0540

Chicago (ORD) Auckland (AKL) 1605 1945 0550

Vancouver (YVR) Auckland (AKL) 1350 1910 0600

San Francisco (SFO) Auckland (AKL) 1245 2030 0515

Los Angeles (LAX) Auckland (AKL) 1245 2045 0530

Toronto (YYZ) Auckland (AKL) 1755 (1925) 1750 2200 via Honolulu (HNL)
Toronto (YYZ) Honolulu (HNL) 910 2330 0615

What do you think?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:53 pm

Quoting 777ER (reply 8):
Who knows, it may happen sooner


Indeed it may................my lips are sealed

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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 6:11 pm

Quoting NZ1 (reply 31):
Indeed it may................my lips are sealed

That sounds like a confirmation to me  Big grin
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:18 pm

The 777-200er could make Vancouver, tho, not sure what will come out now, back to the thinking game, and as for LHR being dropped - dout that will ever happen its there only Route being served in Europe! Direct, and its to profitable for them!
Any one know why SFO is only going to 6x weekly , where's the aircraft going on Monday's??

When can we expect the web site to be updated with all the new things, I would like to book my 'BED CLASS' soon !!
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:23 am

RichardJF.....

Are you suggesting an en route stop because you feel the traffic non-stop AKL/ORD and vv would be insufficient to make the route economically feasible ?
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:40 am

I would say that YVR, ORD and JFK would all be viable with nonstop service from New Zealand. There would be nonstop NZ traffic and onestop Australian traffic.... as per my very limited schedule above, the flights would connect with BNE, SYD and MEL plus NZ domestic traffic. Sounds like a winner to me.
NZ would also be able to avoid the cabotage restrictions that Qantas face with their services via LAX. (or at least their attempted services via LAX)
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:13 am

What would be great in for NZ to go into a code share agreement with VS or BA and move the AKL-LAX-LHR route to AKL-YVR-LHR. The bi-lateral agreements allow 5th freedom rights for this service with a British Carrier.
The distance to LHR is shorter via YVR and there is a need for capacity on both sectors? Not to get off the subject but it was just a thought.
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:06 am

Sunrise valley-744's just wouldn't have the range
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:04 pm

RichardJF....

I had never considered that they would use a 747-400 on this route. I had only thought of it in the context of the -200ER. With one of the747's being returned to the leasor in about a year I would think their 747 capacity would be pretty much in balance until the third or fourth -200ER arrives.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:52 pm

OJH

SFO will go daily on January 30th.

I agree that JFK, YVR and ORD would be the best bets for NZ, atleast for non stop service.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:37 pm

Air New Zealand's press release from last year said that they will get their 777s at a rapid pace; they will have all 8 within a year of first delivery, if I recall correctly. So, they will probably have four or so by Feb06.

I think AKL-ORD would be a perfect route for the 787 but perhaps NZ will have a 763 continue to ORD from LAX, sort of like QF who have a 744 continue to JFK and then return to LAX with onward flight to Australia ? I think NZ has some 763s sitting at LAX for a few hours before going back to the South Pacific (PPT/RAR/NAN).

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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:19 am

The problem with operating between LAX/ORD is that NZ wouldnt be able to fill the aircraft, only traffic connecting onto international services. So a direct flight ORD/NZ would be better.
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Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:19 am

If NZ operates a crew base in LAX or SFO and 772's are on the ground for 8 or more hours they could fly down to Cabo San Lucas (at the bottom of Baja California -7200' runway). It would be better than having them parked and you'd be competing with Alaskan MD80 and so on in the California to Baja market. This is a very expensive resort area for Californians. International flight so you should be able to carry full passengers unlike QF LAX-JFK.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:19 am

Richard - are you insane?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:07 pm

Is it not the case that aircraft sit on the ground at LAX 8-10 hours or something.

Exactly how many people from Dubai visit Chrischurch every year.
that's right ... none.

It may be the cheapest thing just to leave the planes on the ground at LAX or SFO. I don't know?

Do they have to fly a certain number of New Zealanders on every route or can they fly such routes where there is maybe a market but no New Zealanders?

If your living in Los Angeles or San Francisco I would of thought it was quite exotic and appealing to fly such an airline to a close in high value resort destination.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:01 pm

Good to hear that NZ are thinking of expanding, good for the airline, good for the country and good for all of us.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:39 pm

Further to that if a new 777 is NZ$200m that is $30-40 thousand per day in interest costs alone so it's big bucks to have a plane just sitting around at LAX or SFO.
The Qantas approach of having 4-5 747's sitting at LAX all day doesn't look as good as EK using there planes on the Tasman.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:54 am

Maybe NZ could try to fly another 5th freedom flight ti Europe and fill it with other Star passengers.
From FRA to LAX/SFO I would prefer NZ over LH and UA all the time, especially if they fly theyr new 777.
 
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:24 pm

If NZ really want to have another UK flight then have NZ considered flying to another UK airport like MAN?
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RE: Air NZ To Open New Destinations In North Am

Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:31 pm

ok, so let's start dreaming:

AKL-DEN-MUC  Smile)