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Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:15 am

I know we discussed that multiple airlines filed for LAX-MEX. Alaska announced there intent today. AS filed twice daily LAX-MEX, one starting in SEA and the other in PDX. Here is a link of the company site.

http://www.alaskasworld.com/NEWS/2005/02/24_mexico_city.asp

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:28 am

All of the airlines files their briefs with the DOT yesterday. Responses are due in a week.

The docket is at http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...mberValue=20406&searchType=docket.

AS applied for 2x LAX-MEX, 1x 73G + 1x 738.

HP applied for 2x LAX-MEX, 2x A319.

AA applied for 2x LAX-MEX, 2x 757.

CO applied for 1x LAX-MEX, 1x 73G.

Each application certainly has its own strengths, but I think CO will be hurt by having fewer frequencies.
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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:12 am

Would love to se AS, a new carrier for us here.

Thought AA would put some 76's there... Anyways I'd love to see more AA too!

I think CO is out of the race... HP.. I hope they are also.

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:13 am

This LAX-MEX route sure is a money maker for the airlines. No wonder why Mexicana has the most flights. I guess that the two most certain airlines to get it are AA and CO because of their codesharing agreements with MX and AM respectively. But I really don't know I mean it could be anyone's route right?

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:21 am

AS actually filed the petition several weeks ago, but a formal announcement wasn't made public until today.

I guess that the two most certain airlines to get it are AA and CO because of their codesharing agreements with MX and AM respectively.

If anything, that would make them the least likely to get the service, since they already technically "have" it via codeshares.

Besides, AA and CO still win if AS gets the route, since AS codeshares with both carriers.

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:23 am

I know R, just no one had posted yet. Does anyone thinj that being the new airline to MEX AS has a good chance? Alaska would be only new carrier and also can add the AA codeshare on our flights.

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:30 am

I know R, just no one had posted yet.

Actually....  Big grin

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:31 am

Yes, I saw that. But it didnt state AS's intentions of 2 daily. How things down in the desert? Weather holding up?

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:37 am

Weather holding up?

If "holding up" means "getting more than three times your normal rainfall for this time of year," then yes - it's holding up.  Big grin

How are things up in the Bay Area?
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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:58 am

Crap here to, but not as bad as in the SW area's. Made the flights to PSP a little difficult. We been loading them up on gas and pushing landing weights on the -400's all week. Well stay dry man!

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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:32 am

If LAX-MEX is such a sure-fire money printing machine for the airlines, then why did DL vacate the route in the first place???
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:51 am

In my opinion I would think that AA would get accepted as they are bringing more people down there with a 757 thus bringing more money to Mexico. What does everybody else think??
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:58 am

Quoting Mitchell Gant (reply 10):
If LAX-MEX is such a sure-fire money printing machine for the airlines, then why did DL vacate the route in the first place???


Because DL does not know what it wants!! Specially on its routes to Mexico...
With only one flight to LAX and with a codeshare on AM flights to LAX, people almost always chose AM metal because they have better flight times and kind of better service.

Additionally, DL's main goal was to improve aircraft utilization and decided to fly LAX-MEX redeye (where MX is the strong one) in order to have good time departures for their flights to their hubs (ATL and JFK).

Finally, 6A decided to go strong on flights to LAX and has been offering very competitive fares on their MEX-MTY-LAX...

Hope the DOT considers these facts and selects either HP or AS for the route.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:02 am

If LAX-MEX is such a sure-fire money printing machine for the airlines, then why did DL vacate the route in the first place???

In addition to the aforementioned reasons that DL didn't do well on the route, bear in mind that AS will be able to make it work thanks to:

  • using (smaller) aircraft better suited to the route

  • offering schedules superior to what DL had


  • and most importantly

  • having significant feed traffic to/from LAX and not relying on LAX-MEX solely as an O&D market


  • AS will be able to funnel traffic through LAX onto the MEX flights from Canada, the state of Alaska, and the entire Pacific Northwest - something no other carrier can do. This means they need less O&D traffic to make a buck on the route.
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    RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

    Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:15 am

    AS will be able to funnel traffic through LAX onto the MEX flights from Canada, the state of Alaska, and the entire Pacific Northwest - something no other carrier can do. This means they need less O&D traffic to make a buck on the route.

    That's actually the main thing going against AS here, I think. The DOT will likely want to maximise O&D traffic to benefit the local market. It goes against AS that they don't already serve SEA-MEX or PDX-MEX. Still, AS has many pluses to its application, as do each of the applicants.
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    Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:42 am

    That's actually the main thing going against AS here, I think. The DOT will likely want to maximise O&D traffic to benefit the local market.

    IMHO, the DOT already knows that any new entrant will have a hard time making a go of it if they only look at this as an O&D market.

    Take a look at the existing carriers on the route:

    MX - carries connecting traffic from MEX; not just an O&D carrier
    AM - carries connecting traffic from MEX; not just an O&D carrier
    UA - carries connecting traffic from LAX and SFO; not just an O&D carrier


    DL failed to make the route work because they relied solely on O&D numbers - so I doubt the DOT will be anxious to have a new entrant who can't funnel traffic from inbounds like AS, AA and to some degree CO can.

    This is also why I think HP stands a snowball's chance in hell of landing this authority.
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    RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

    Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:54 am

    UA cut a lot of flights into MEX awhile ago. They had plenty of hub traffic feeding their flights. So there must of been some reason they reduce their flights into MEX. The MX code-share wasn't the reason either.
     
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    RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

    Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:03 am

    This is also why I think HP stands a snowball's chance in hell of landing this authority.

    Personally, I agree that HP has the weakest application. But the DOT loooooves LCCs (way too much IMHO), so I think they've got as good a shot as anyone else.
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    RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

    Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:41 am

    What kind of aircraft did DL use on the route?


    I honestly think that AS stands the best chance. The combination of O&D traffic from codeshare partners+ feeders are making AS the best canidate. CO, DL, NW, and AA will be able to codeshare making it the most likely, so this means loyal FF members of CO, DL, NW, and AA can still get service with elite qualifying miles.

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    RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

    Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:23 pm

    Quoting Boeing73G (reply 18):
    What kind of aircraft did DL use on the route?


    757

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    RE: Alaska Airlines Files LAX-MEX To DOT Twice Daily

    Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:57 pm

    We are just full of suprises.First DFW then MEX announcement.

    I heard rumors that AS was gearing up for a major expansion. I did not believe it but I guess this rumor is true. I wonder were we are off to next?
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