ktachiya
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Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:39 am

This is so miraculous. I thought JL's turn around time (most airports in North America are 1h 55 min) is relatively short but I saw JL18 landing from NRT today with a 30 min delay and they managed to push out the plane on time!!!
That is about 10 min to taxi into the gate so the plane was in the gate for about 1h 20 min and they turned it around.

I know that the turn-around time of a 744D is 40 minutes which is miraculous but they can refuel, do interior cleaning, get cargo unloaded and loaded, inspect the parts of the planes, etc. in that short of a time?

Can anyone else tell me about ridiculously short turn around times they have seen? 1h 20 min to me on a long-haul international routes seems like a miracle to me.

On the other hand, CI landed 40 minutes late today and they also departed 40 minutes late.
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ACYWG
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:56 am

Yep. sometimes they can spin em' around pretty quick. Though there are some long ones. I remember the AC 333 that flys out of YYC for LHR. That plane lands in YYC at about 14:00 Local, and doesn't leave until 18:30 Local. But I guess thats alright since all that plane does is fly to London, turnaround and fly to Calgary, then turnaround and do the same thing again.
 
nwafflyer
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:33 am

try NWA at AMS -- flight comes in, lands, passengers disembark -- about 20 minutes before passengers board, and even in first class, it's spotless, ready to go -- catered

Of course, Nwa is pretty good at quick turnarounds, no big surprise there -- watch them at a non-hub airport -- better yet, watch them at a hub when there are problems, and they need tobe catered
 
ktachiya
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:49 am

ACYWG

Are you sure that's the same A333 that flies in from LHR? Well I am not sure about this but a few years back, AC used to have a flight YVR-YYC on an A340-300. The ATC asked the guy, you guys fly in 737's, A320's all the time into YYC and why is this one this huge. Then the CO or the Captain replied, "Its a repositioning flight." So is it not the case that the A333 lands in YYC and flies somewhere else while another Airbus 330 comes in and flies to LHR?

Nwafflyer

How long of a ground time was it then? 1h 30 min or so?
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ACYWG
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:48 pm

Ktachiya,

No, its definitely the same metal. There are 3 Europe bound flights per day out of YYC (I've flown on all of them). 1 A333 bound for FRA at around 5:00PM Local, 1 A333 bound for LHR at 6:30PM, and 1 763ER bound for LHR at 9:00PM Local. All 3 aircraft once at destination, turnaround and return to the YYC. Separate Aircraft are used for the same flights originating for YVR, YYZ, YOW, and YUL.
 
airgeek12
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:55 pm

I've seen some planes that got in, refueled EXTREMELY quickly while pax were deplaning, than we all walked right on, and left. The plane musthave only been on the ground for about 35-50 min! It was amazing to watch.
 
loggat
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:08 pm

The new United Express turn time is 24 mins, doors open to doors closed. Thank God for ACARS.
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ha763
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:45 pm

JAL does this all the time in HNL. Many of the extra section or charter flights that come in and out as pax flights have ground times averaging 1hr 20min. Some of these were even ETOPS flights. Ferry out flights are even shorter since many times the pilots want to leave as soon as possible. I've seen one ferry turn in 1hr-no cleaning, a little catering for the crew, and all the maintenance checks done.
 
ktachiya
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:11 pm

ACYWG, thanx

Then I wonder where that A343 went. Wow~ AC flies their own metal into FRA? They have more flights to Europe than YVR. AC only flies their own metal to LHR. FRA is served by Lufthansa.

Are there other int'l flights from there? To like Central America or South America?
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jetboyflyhi
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:15 pm

Hey Loggat or anyone what is ACARS?
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:17 pm

A WN flght thanksgiving weekend from SEA-SLC had been delayed 2-3 hrs due to weather and system-wide delays. The plane pulled in, they deboarded in 5-10 minutes, boarded in another 5-10, and pulled away from the gate immedately after, little more than 20 minutes at the gate.
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xjramper
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:23 pm

Acars is a computer system on board the aircraft that dispatch can send messages, log their time--by way of parking break set/release, etc. Good system, makes it easier in the long run.


I dont know what the abbreviation is tho...sorry.

Edit: I forgot to answer the post:

I remember when I worked for Delta connexion, when we had our 70 seaters, they always seemed to be late, full of pax, and in need of fuel. We could turn the aircraft around, minus cleaning it, in 8-10 mins. Thats was average. That also included taking 70 people off, putting 70 people back on, unloading at least 70 bags and reloading at leat that many, plus get the paperwork out, etc. All in all 8 mins or so.

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mel
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:44 pm

Regarding Air Canada in Calgary, generally, the London-Calgary flight turns in Calgary and departs back to London, but when the aircraft arrives in London, it generally is assigned to a different route. AC850 Calgary-London turns as AC865 London-Montreal a lot. Sometimes it does turn around directly and does AC851 London-Calgary, but certainly not all the time.

The A340-300 running Vancouver-Calgary was a regular occurence during the past few summers. Often you'd see B763s aswell. Most of the time, the Vancouver-Calgary leg would make up one of the Calgary-Europe departures, and vice versa, but these days, they don't run many/if any Calgary-Vancouver widebody flights.
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geoffm
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:28 pm

I boarded a late VS 742 at New York (Newark I think) whose gate arrival to gate departure time was 50 minutes. I thought that was impressive at the time!

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Doona
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:07 am

I was waiting for a delayed UA express flight in LNK going to ORD on New Year's Eve. The RJ arrived with three passengers aboard, as soon as they left the ten passengers got on, including me, and the plane was left the gate less than fifteen minutes after arriving...

At the time I wasn't fascinated by the whole thing, since the flight was delayed more than 45 mins, and I would have about 30 mins to get to my connecting flight, an AA 767 to MAN...
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Doona
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:09 am

That's a Bombardier Regional Jet, not Royal Jordanian, by the way...
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:55 am

On the other hand, AA had an A300 in SJU for 2 hrs. before returning home to JFK during the summer of 2003 - I believe. I couldn't believe it sat at the gate, not making money for that long.
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b741
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:04 am

I just checked the OAG from Aug 03 and AC218 is listed as a 343 with 1hr. and 10mins. in YYC before the rebound to YVR.
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CosmicCruiser
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:37 am

For jetboyflyhi....ACARS is the acronym for Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System. It is multi-function system that allows comm with dispatch, obtaining wx (atis,metar,taf,etc) and clearances, flt tracking and closeout, wgt. and balance and maint. tracking.
 
captaink
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:50 am

At our station we try to beat the turn times.

JM92 JFK/GND/UVF/MBJ - Clean, refuel.

-Turn time 25 - 30min - On chocks, to off chocks.

BA2156/7 LGW/ANU/GND/ANU/LGW - Clean, refuel, cater.

-Turn time 1hr 50min, due to a late arrival, we turned in 60min.

JM093 MBJ/UVF/GND/JFK - Clean, refuel, security inspections

-Turn time 50 min - if late we can get it out in 40min tops..

All dash 8 flights are given 15 min, sometimes we try for 5 min and get it sometimes, especially if we ask the capt, to keep no.2 running.

These are a few examples, but there are many more, and other airlines, that we try to get turned in a short period of time, so as to put the flight back on, or close enough to scheduled time.
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RE: Wow~ Miraculous Turn Around Times!

Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:38 am

I remember turning a US flight at MSN that was 45 minkutes late, in only 8 minutes. The actual ground time was like 20 while the pilots did the rest of the paperwork and taxi time. Load the outbound bags in cart 2, inbound in 1.... you figure the rest.
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