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Why No LAX-BOG?

Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:53 pm

I just tried to book my flight from LAX to Bogota, Colombia and NO ONE has a non-stop flight. What gives? Miami is much smaller than LA, YET has DOZENS of non-stop flights to BOG.

These are two of the biggest cities in the world; how could not enough people travel between them???

Must I (against my will) take Delta through Atlanta or Continental through Houston?
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:11 am

AV used to have a non-stop flight LAX-BOG till a couple of years ago. At some point the flight was tried with a stop in MEX. It was one of the flights chopped when the company became financially troubled.
MIA has a larger pupulation of Colombians than LA does, and hence the difference.
I do trust that LAX is one of the routes that will be restarted now that AV has new ownership and good prospects.
In the meantime, take your pick: CO, DL or even MX/AV thorugh MEX.
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Lrgt (reply 0):
Miami is much smaller than LA, YET has DOZENS of non-stop flights to BOG.


And Miami has non-stops to Cali, Cartagena, Baranquilla, and Colombia. Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:16 am

>And Miami has non-stops to Cali, Cartagena, Baranquilla, and Colombia.<

Also to Medelin

>Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.<

Kind of, I would think that would be in Colombia Big grin.

BOG-LAX is on AV's list of destinations for the near future. While not having as significant a Colombian community as Miami, LA has a massive Latin community, heavier business traffic and a fair sized Colombian population
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:20 am

AV used to operate three flights a week on Boeing 757/767´s from BOG-LAX-BOG during the Christmas season as a non stop and the rest of the year via BOG-MEX-LAX-MEX-BOG, once it was even operated BOG-CUN-LAX-CUN-BOG. The main passenger group who used the route where in transit passengers from South America through to Asia via LAX.

Since the mandatory transit visa for the majority of the Latin American countries was placed by the US, everybody is going via Canada, Mexico or Europe to catch connections to the orient.

Passenger loads where only good for summer vacation and Christmas time when the Colombians residing in the California area traveled to visit their kin, the rest of the year they where extremely low.

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:27 am

Why don't give Copa (CM) a try LAX-PTY-BOG, great service and brand new 737G's.



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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:07 am

Well I'm sure AV will go back to LAX , now that has a new owner and president .
The future is very bright for AV at MCO the Colombia community is growing very fast too , I am sure that AV or other colombian airline will come to MCO soon.

Also , I thought that today was the day that AV will show the new colors.
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:30 am

I flew LAX-MEX-BOG on AV back in 1998. It was on a 757 with the stop in MEX for 50 minutes. Both my outgoing and return flights were fully packed, with a lot off passengers making connections to GIG, EZE, GRU, and LIM.

Too bad AV axed this route. It was one of the few "exotics" left. The plane used to park at Terminl 2's gate 21. perfect for pics.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:34 am

nice and intresting to hear this about LAX...

now I would love to know why some days ago I was critisized about the matter that I mentioned that California can support at least a daily B737-800 AA from DFW to MIA. Better if they receive a direct link, because there is the demand and no as mentioned on the other topic that California has a very small Colombian community...

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:37 am

If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?

...Los Angeles, right? or is it Boston?

What is AV's next US city outside of Florida? LAX, BOS, EWR, Perhaps Vegas?

Also, I would think that AV would have more than 1 flight to 1 city out of New York (JFK-BOG daily), when they serve 5 cities, most with multiple frequencies from MIA.

Their flights from Miami almost make it look like they are the #2 carrier at MIA on # of flights!!!
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting N1120A (reply 3):
>Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.<

Kind of, I would think that would be in Colombia Big grin.


I don't know; with that many flights he may be correct!
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting Lrgt (reply 10):
Quoting N1120A (reply 3):
>Miami has the world's largest Colombian community. It's not that difficult to understand.<

Kind of, I would think that would be in Colombia Big grin.

I don't know; with that many flights he may be correct!


This is very funny jejeje, but no doubt the world largest Colombian Community is my home town BOG, 8 million Colombians and growing.  Smile

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:03 am

Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
Also, I would think that AV would have more than 1 flight to 1 city out of New York (JFK-BOG daily)



Actually, AV serves three different cities from JFK. MDE nonstop and CLO [via MDE] are the other two. But not daily, 4 weekly services.

JFK-BOG, although served only once daily off-season, gets increased with several additional weekly services in high travelling periods.





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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?

...Los Angeles, right? or is it Boston?


Maybe CCS?
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (reply 13):
Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?

...Los Angeles, right? or is it Boston?


Maybe CCS?


I think they meant in the US, I think that if we talk about Colombian Communities worldwide Madrid would be third in that list.

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:55 am

Quoting Lrgt (reply 9):
If Miami is #1 and New York is #2 (for Colombian travel), then what is #3?


Avianca's third US gateway: Fort Lauderdale. And San Juan is up there too, I bet.

Quote:
What is AV's next US city outside of Florida? LAX, BOS, EWR, Perhaps Vegas?


I wouldn't look for them to add any other US cities any time soon. Maybe SJU, that's it.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:47 am

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 15):
Avianca's third US gateway: Fort Lauderdale. And San Juan is up there too, I bet.


maybe they can open San Juan again with the new Fokker100 aircrafts.
But SJU is not that big market from Colombia, for sure they are focusing before other citys in the US, like LAX, BOS, ATL or even ORD.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:26 am

In population terms the NYC metro area has the largest Colombian population within the US with approximately 190,000 people. South Florida comes in second with nearly 160,000. Far away in third place is the LA area with about 35,000.

Avianca indeed has tried to make the LAX route work for several decades. As mentioned by prior posters the loads however have been quite varied due to the seasonal nature of the market. There were long periods of the year when the flight would be carrying less than 50 people. Hence the airline has tried to tie in the LA route as a tag to its Mexico City services.

However as the airline experienced severe financial difficulties within the last few years it has been forced to cut the LA route.

In general terms while Los Angeles has a huge Latino population, the majority are from Mexico and Central America. The South America population pale in comparison to the millions from Mexico and Central America.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:32 pm

Quoting Laxintl (reply 17):
In population terms the NYC metro area has the largest Colombian population within the US with approximately 190,000 people. South Florida comes in second with nearly 160,000. Far away in third place is the LA area with about 35,000.


The largest legal resident population of Colombians in the US is Miami/Fort Lauderdale, with 100,000 legal residents. In addition, there are roughly 120,000 non-US citizen Colombians living in Miami.

[Edited 2005-02-25 05:34:45]
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting Avianca (reply 16):
But SJU is not that big market from Colombia, for sure they are focusing before other citys in the US, like LAX, BOS, ATL or even ORD.


It is a lot bigger of a market than BOS, ATL, and ORD, that's for sure.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:43 pm

LRQT: going back to what you said about being AV being # 2 carrier with most flights out of MIA after AA (Of Course!), im sure they are right up there w/ LAN that has multiple flights to points all over South America, Grupo TACA to Central America and Peru.

But AV does have a very large presence at MIA! I remember seeing the classic AV 707's and 742's at MIA back in the earrrrrrrly 90's and 80's.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:57 pm

Hmm Im pretty sure there must be around 500.000 colombians here in Caracas, that's huge.

In Venezuela we have 2.5 million colombians spread around the country, at least 500.000 must be here in CCS.
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:15 pm

I WASN'T SERIOUS about AV being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. I said this as a joke (that it SEEMED like it)....ARE THEY REALLY??? WOW!

This it is quite sad that one of the bussiest US airports has a non-US carrier as having the 2nd most number of flights. It just shows how AA has no significant domestic company there.

....I cannot think of one other US (48-states) airport where that is EVEN CLOSE to being true.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:22 pm

Quoting Lrgt (reply 22):
I WASN'T SERIOUS about AV being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. I said this as a joke (that it SEEMED like it)....ARE THEY REALLY??? WOW!

This it is quite sad that one of the bussiest US airports has a non-US carrier as having the 2nd most number of flights. It just shows how AA has no significant domestic company there.

....I cannot think of one other US (48-states) airport where that is EVEN CLOSE to being true.


Ummm, it's not true. Avianca isn't even close to being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. Delta is. Followed by Continental, LAN, TACA, and US Airways.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 23):
Avianca isn't even close to being the 2nd largest carrier at MIA. Delta is. Followed by Continental, LAN, TACA, and US Airways.



Do US Air, Delta, and Continental really all have more flights out of MIA than AV?
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:39 pm

Quoting Lrgt (reply 24):

Do US Air, Delta, and Continental really all have more flights out of MIA than AV?


Avianca - 30 weekly flights
Continental - approx. 280 weekly flights
Delta - approx. 147 weekly flights
US Airways - 77 weekly flights
LAN - approx. 35 weekly flights
TACA - approx. 54 weekly flights

[Edited 2005-02-25 07:43:19]
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 5:12 pm

SJU is a mixed market, Aces operated to SJU with 727s and A320s and although it wasn't a bad route, it's not like it was the mega top performer.
LAX could have been a winner in my perception if the Mexican authorities would have granted 5th freedom rights to AV, which they never did, so they could hang there in the off-peak season. We might see a reopening, but I don't think it will happen soon (in fact the only thing I think will happen soon is the arrival of the "exotic" Lloyd Aéreo Boliviano plane to MDE that will take the DIM soccer team in an even more exotic flight direct to ASU on March 6th, which I hope I don't miss).

As a side note, the city where I was born, raised and live is called Medellín and not Medelin, thanks.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:30 pm

AV officially announced that the ceremony of the presentation, launch and unveiling of its new colors with the new company image will occur on Monday Feb 28, 2005 at 5:15 PM at El Dorado Intl Airport Hangar 2 on EI-CEZ Boeing 757.

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:36 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 19):
It is a lot bigger of a market than BOS, ATL, and ORD, that's for sure.


really? in what kind? Puerto Rico is maybe a small leisure destination for Colombians. In Puerto Rico are not really a lot of Colombians living, there is not enough work, why are so many Puerto Ricanian left the country? The cargo demand is also not that big and well covered with the weekly Tampa Cargo flight. It is a future destination for the Fokker100.

BOS, ATL and ORD are bigger markets, I know very very well the Colombian community in BOS and it is not as small as mentioned...

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:21 pm

MAH... & LRQT : Guys I never said about AV being # 2 in MIA, I said w/ regards to your comment about being # 2, they have to be right up there w/ LAN and TACA, maybe I should have said "an intl carrier w/most daily flights out of MIA"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy better now?
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:15 am

Quoting AV757 (reply 27):



Great News!!, One Question, will it be open to the public, I have time to attend and if I could that would be great!.

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:24 am

AV on
Quoting MAH4546 (reply 25):
Avianca - 30 weekly flights
Continental - approx. 280 weekly flights
Delta - approx. 147 weekly flights
US Airways - 77 weekly flights
LAN - approx. 35 weekly flights
TACA - approx. 54 weekly flights


AV really only has an average of 4 flights per day from MIA TOTAL??? That does not seem correct! They must have at least that just to BOG!

...also, it is hard to beleive that CO has 40 flights per day from MIA daily. They are only going to EWR, CLE, and IAH for goodness sakes.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:55 am

Is BOS a bigger market to Colombia than LAX?

I would think Vegas would be quite a popular route, NOT because of Colombian population, but for tourism. Colombians seem to be quite wealthy.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting Lrgt (reply 31):

AV really only has an average of 4 flights per day from MIA TOTAL??? That does not seem correct! They must have at least that just to BOG!


Yes, four daily flights

One daily each to BOG/PEI, MDE, BAQ, and CLO, and two weekly flights to CTG.

During peak travel in the summer and winter, CTG becomes daily and BOG becomes 12x a week.

They used to operate a lot more BOG flights in combination with Aces (up to 4x daily), but they don't have enough aircraft to do that currently, and they operate a daily to FLL.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:58 am

and MDE becomes double on peak travel, as the CTG daily is actually the second MDE - MIA (via CTG)
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:31 am

BOG becomes 2x daily in high travel seasons (a 767 and a 757), PEI is just a connection, but it is sold as one flight. When AX arrive, they have to deplane from the 767 and get on an MD83 to get to PEI.
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting 757MDE (reply 34):
and MDE becomes double on peak travel, as the CTG daily is actually the second MDE - MIA (via CTG)


Yes, but it doesn't increase the number of daily flights to MIA any further.

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 35):
BOG becomes 2x daily in high travel seasons (a 767 and a 757), PEI is just a connection, but it is sold as one flight. When AX arrive, they have to deplane from the 767 and get on an MD83 to get to PEI.


Actually, this is one of those few direct flights that really is direct. A 767 operates the whole thing, and it overnights in Pereira.

[Edited 2005-02-25 21:54:39]
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 36):
Quoting RCS763AV (reply 35):
BOG becomes 2x daily in high travel seasons (a 767 and a 757), PEI is just a connection, but it is sold as one flight. When AX arrive, they have to deplane from the 767 and get on an MD83 to get to PEI.


Actually, this is one of those few direct flights that really is direct. A 767 operates the whole thing, and it overnights in Pereira.


I am not really sure about it:

http://www.avianca.com.co/Lealtad/Re...2005&vuelo=&origen=MIA&destino=PEI

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting JUANR (reply 37):
I am not really sure about it:


Well, in public reservation systems, such as Amadeus, the BOG-PEI-BOG leg is listed as a 767.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:23 am

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 36):
Yes, but it doesn't increase the number of daily flights to MIA any further.


Yes, we're both right. Just wanted to point that out.

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 38):
Well, in public reservation systems, such as Amadeus, the BOG-PEI-BOG leg is listed as a 767.


AFAIK the largest plane AV operates into PEI is a MD-83, no 767, I just asked a friend who lives there and he told me he's never seen a 767 there (although I think one had to fly there once some years ago I don't know why... but I might be just inventing things).
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:54 pm

I checked Sabre, Apollo and Worldspan and they all show AV7 MIA-BOG-PEI as a 767 into Bogota and a change of planes to a MD-83 from Bogota to Pereira.
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:47 am

AV operated the 767 into PEI in the 90´s as a tag from MIA, but its not that way anymore, people have to change planes in BOG.
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:56 am

AV did in the past some wrong things on the MIA flights... I can remember using the AV evening flight from MIA to BOG, arriving 02:00 am in BOG. Not really a good time to arrive in Bogotá.

It would be great to see AV in future more powerfull again in MIA.

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:59 am

Quoting Avianca (reply 42):
I can remember using the AV evening flight from MIA to BOG, arriving 02:00 am in BOG. Not really a good time to arrive in Bogotá.


When arriving to BOG anytime is good.  Big grin

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting JUANR (reply 43):
When arriving to BOG anytime is good.


yes normally absolut!!! que viva colombia...

but at 02:00 am for me with my european skin it was not that funny... the bad guys where waiting for us  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:15 am

Lrgt, I encourage you to try LAX-MEX-BOG with MX. MX has great service. And it codeshares with AV, so depending on your times, you may get AV service between MEX and BOG.
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Avianca (reply 44):
but at 02:00 am for me with my european skin it was not that funny... the bad guys where waiting for us



The bad guys await for anyone at any Airport, is just a matter of having common sense (it's not like you're gonna show-off your brand new camera in the street at 2am)

Quoting EddieDude (reply 45):
Lrgt, I encourage you to try LAX-MEX-BOG with MX. MX has great service. And it codeshares with AV, so depending on your times, you may get AV service between MEX and BOG.


Yes, you've got plenty of options. also via IAH with CO, via PTY with CM, via MIA with AA or even with DL via ATL (but I'm not sure of the timings)
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:32 am

Remember there are no plans to start LAX anytime soon. Right now Eformovich wants Europe (FRA, LON, BCN, CDG....) and AV will start BOG-YYZ 3x a week on their own metal codesharing with AC the other days of the week. So don´t hold your breath...still.
 
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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting Avianca (reply 44):
for me with my european skin it was not that funny


This is the most stupid comment you've made so far in these forums man, seems like you've never been here before.

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RE: Why No LAX-BOG?

Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:58 pm

Quoting Juanr (reply 48):
This is the most stupid comment you've made so far in these forums man, seems like you've never been here before.


Juan, I love Colombia as you did it. But I only say the thinks they are. I was over 10 times in Colombia, and for sure Colombia is more dangerous for an European or American looking person than for a Latino. And why? Yes because of the stupid thinking of the most Colombian people that the money in Euorope/US is on the street.

It is fact that it is sadly dangerous in Colombia special at 02:00 am in Bogota. When my post was so stupid, why the officials of the airport says to the passenger that they do not leave the airport without any known person, or wait till the morning in the airport.

It is fact that Colombia is more dangerous as Monte Carlo...

And Juan I have never says any not known negative think about Colombia, we should accept the thinks they are.......

and yes Juan, please let know what "other" stupid post I did here? It is not easy to have only that profesinonals members as you are...

[Edited 2005-02-27 10:05:12]
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

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