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Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:19 am

Egyptair Cargo have added a second daily flight to Ostend Airport from Cairo.

The first daily flight is as follows:
MS520 CAI/OST 07.30/11.50
MS521 OST/CAI 13.20/19.05

Second new flight:
MS528 CAI/OST 12.30/16.50
MS529 OST/CAI 17.50/23.35


All flight are operated with A300B4-203(F)s.

This makes the airline the largest cargo out of the Belgian airport. There are rumours that a 3rd daily flight will be added later this year once the airline recieve 2 more converted A300Fs in June 2005.


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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:35 am

How is MS Cargo doing? because they are not really known in Europe for good service in the Cargo sector, lot of missing freight...

It is true that MS is doing much more better on the north-bound flight? It seems that they are packed with fruits, fresh fish etc...

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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:06 am

Avianca, Egyptair Cargo is one of the six holding companies formed when Egyptair was split up in 2002. They currently operate 2 A300B4-203(F)s. This arm of the airline has always been profitable and contributed significantly to the airline's overall profitability. As you said MS Cargo had a bit of a shody appearance but that changed since 2002 when it was run as a private company (as mentioned above) and since management decided to stop sub contracting work to smaller relatively unknown airlines who were unreliable.

They currently serve Ostend, Hahn, Stansted in Europe on a scheduled basis.

And finally the airline is doubling their cargo fleet by adding 2 A300-600Fs this June. The A300s were operating with the airline in passenger configuration but will be converted in time for the summer.

There was an article late last year in Al-Ahram that stated that Egyptian exporters were getting angry with MS due to the lack of capacity and as a result high prices they were offering. So there is obviously demand there and hopefully over the next few weeks they'll announce more increases and destinations to utilise the new A300s.

As for the type of freight carried. Usually on Egypt-Europe services its primary goods like fruit, vegetables, textiles, etc but with the expansion of hi-tech companies developing on the outskirts of Cairo (e.g. Microsoft in 6th of October city) has meant more expensive goods are being exported northbound. Cargo on the Europe-Egypt flights tend to be more expensive goods like high tech and oil industry equipment. This scenario is the opposite on flights to Khartoum, Lagos and Sharjah.

Other Egyptian cargo operators are Tristar and Cairo Aviation:


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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:31 am

Horus,

thank you for the intresting post.

I think MS is doing good because they have Main-Deck capacity on the route.
That is why AF is doing so good on the market they have high rates for the MD-capacíty.

For Lower-Deck freight is too much competition, due the most big european carrier uses Wide-body equipment with high pay-load. Rates are on these market not really high... like 1,00 Euro including the security and fuel surcharges...

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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:54 am

Quoting Avianca (reply 3):
due the most big European carrier uses Wide-body equipment with high pay-load


The best example I know of that is LX. They use the A343s on their CAI flight even though the flight is under 4 hours long. A fellow A.net member who works for the airline (who will remain anonymous) told me they use the widebody aircraft for 2 reasons:
1. As you said cargo. He said that the aircraft is full of cargo which cannot be handled by an A320/A321.
2. Even though loads are not very high in economy class, First and Business classes are usually full (high yields) and using A320s/A321s would offer inferior premium products.

I'm not sure if you can help but what is the difference between the A300B4-203F and A300-600F in terms of capacity (if any)?

And my understanding is that LH currently have a weekly MD-11F flight to CAI. Are they planning any increases?

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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:59 am

Horus, the main difference between the A300B4-203F and A300-600F is that the -600F has a longer range, and can carry slightly more
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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Osten

Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:09 am

Cheers Gkirk! Do you have any figures about this increase in capacity in terms of weight and space? One of the problems MS Cargo faced was that their aircraft were being 'boxed out' before reaching their MTW.

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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:43 am

Quoting Horus (reply 4):
And my understanding is that LH currently have a weekly MD-11F flight to CAI. Are they planning any increases?


As per LH they are not operating into CAI with freighter regulary. some charters maybe, under this link you will find the complete LH timetable including pax and RFS....

http://www.lhcargo.com/content.jsp?path=0,1,10169,18668,18665

But for the future It would be great to see LH Cargo introducing freither in the FRA-CAI sector or maybe CGN-CAI. They could conect there MD transit freight (from far east, usa, canada...) perfectly over Germany into Cairo as AF is doing.

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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Osten

Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:57 am

Avianca, I know of a single flight which operates between FRA and CAI; LH8418 which passes through CAI on Sundays as part of a FRA-CAI-SHJ-MAA-CCU-MAA-SHJ-FRA routing.

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p.s. I tried downloading the LH Cargo from the link you gave me but it didn't work for some reason.
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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:16 am

the routing of LH8418 that you mentioned is not actuell in the moment, they are serviing the Indian Sub-Continent via ATH, Middle East or direct...

Just checked the link, it works on my side.

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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Osten

Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:25 am

Ah alright Avianca, yeah I was told about LH8418 early last year sp I guess its changed. You mentioned CGN, is it a major LH Cargo hub?

I'd also appreciate your feedback regarding replies 4, 5 and 6 (about A300B4-203Fs and A300-600Fs)

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p.s. I still can't download the LH Cargo timetable...
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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:09 am

It's time for MS to get those 2 747-300s converted to Cargo. I think they would benefit alot from both. Come to think of it, Both of them A combi.
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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Ostend

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:21 am

Horus,

yes CGN is Germans second biggest cargo airport and also the number 2 for LH Cargo. They have some flights from CGN Í do not know how many exact but it is not a small number. They use CGN special for MiddleEast, Europe and Far East.

Quoting Horus (reply 10):
I'd also appreciate your feedback regarding replies 4, 5 and 6 (about A300B4-203Fs and A300-600Fs)


I think the differences are followings.
A300-600F must have a higher payload regarding kilos/lbs. Also the 600F has a much more longer ranch. The old B4 I think has still a 3 person cockpit and not a modern 2 man as the 600 has.

How many Volume the aircrafts can handle, depends all on the configuration. There is a configuration with on line of ULD or also one with two lines for ULD.
The two liner have more capacity for Volume but the conturs for the ULD´s are not really comfortable to build up. It is ok for a carrier what handle a lot of small parcels or fruits, flowers etc...the one liner is much better for mixed cargo (spare parts, machines etc) because often the pcs are big and need the one liner contur to fit in the aircraft...

check just under www.lhcargo.com you will find easily the link for the timetable....

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RE: Egyptair Cargo Start 2nd Daily Flight To Osten

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:08 am

Quoting Korg747 (reply 11):
It's time for MS to get those 2 747-300s converted to Cargo. I think they would benefit alot from both. Come to think of it, Both of them A combi.


I hope they do, but it seems unlikely now that they're getting more A300Fs. I think the 2 743s were the convertable type, i.e. they could be operated in a full passenger configuration or a combi configuration.


I'll soon post a LHR-ATH-CAI-ATH-LHR trip report with OA, and a CAI-SSH-CAI trip report with MS.


Avianca, thanks for all your info! It's much appreciated!

Horus

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