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Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:45 am

I read on an internet encyclopedia that Olympic was the first airline that flew towards all 5 continents is it true and when did it happen?
I also read that they used to have a Yak 40 during the 70s is there any photo is it true as well?
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:49 am

I thaught it was Pan Am

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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:53 am

Seeing as how OA didn't even come about until 1957, and Pan Am was operating to all the inhabited continents by 1948 (possibly even earlier), it would seem to be wrong.
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:54 am

I don't know if this makes a difference but, the Australian flights aren't from the US "technically". I appears that the flights are from islands that are classified as Ocenea or Australian(in reference to continent). OAs service would of been direct from ATH.
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:58 am

Quoting RamerinianAir (reply 3):
the Australian flights aren't from the US "technically" ... OAs service would of been direct from ATH.


What would be the difference between a flight from say, SFO-HNL-SYD, vs. how OA served Australia? I doubt they flew ATH-SYD non-stop.
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:01 pm

They surely didn't neither with the 707s, 742s nor with the A343s
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:02 pm

Even older route map, with service to New Zealand (oceania) with the flying boats. By looking at the pic I don't know whether Casablanca (africa) is touched or not.

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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:04 pm

Or for those who want to see a LARGE map circa 1955:

http://www.panam.org/image_library/1955-Route-Map-large.jpg
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:05 pm

Is it me, or are there not 7 continents? At least 6 ones with commercial flights...
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting SW733 (reply 8):
Is it me, or are there not 7 continents?


It all depends upon if you consider North and South America as one or two continents.  Smile
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting SW733 (reply 8):
Is it me, or are there not 7 continents? At least 6 ones with commercial flights...


There are, but North and South America have at times been considered just "America". And before the Canal, that was true
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:15 pm

Only schoolchildren living in the United States separate America into two continents. Schoolchildren everywhere else in the world count America as one.

IINM, in Latin America, "Las Americas" is the terminology, even though Las Americas is counted as a single continent on par with Europe, Africa, etc.

The five olympic rings represent the five continents, America counted as one.

The continent southeast of Asia has several names. Some call it Australia (Americans). Others call it Australasia (British), and use this term to include New Zealand, etc.
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:21 pm

Some others call it Oceania!
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:01 pm

you know, im russian and i definately seperate north america and south america into two continents... i think you'd more likely consider europe asia as one continent than north/south america... or if the suez canal didnt exist... africa/europe/asia are all one... as well as north/south america... and considering the theory that australia and antarctica are islands... that leaves us with two continents... and most major airlines fly to both of them

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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting ACAfan (reply 11):
Only schoolchildren living in the United States separate America into two continents. Schoolchildren everywhere else in the world count America as one.


I'm going off topic, but I actually find this quite strange seeing that it is accepted in science that North and South America are on seperate major tectonic plates and are were seperate landmasses when Pangea fragmented. On the other hand, Europe and Asia are on the same major tectonic plate and doesn't seem to have seperated at anytime during their drift, but we all still consider them as seperate continents.

 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:33 pm

"Only schoolchildren living in the United States separate America into two continents. Schoolchildren everywhere else in the world count America as one."

What the flip are you talking about? I have rarely seen anyone around the world label the 2 America's as one.
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:48 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (reply 15):
What the flip are you talking about? I have rarely seen anyone around the world label the 2 America's as one


Thats probably because you come from US. All geography text book in Hong Kong listed there are only 5 continents, with North and South America being a single continent.

The 5 olympic rings on reply 11 is one of the evidence. The 5 rings represent each continent. If North and South America are seperated, shouldn't there be 6 rings? But I only see 5..
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:02 pm

There are some who think the 5 rings represent the continents, and some who do not.

http://www.janecky.com/olympics/rings.html

The five rings represent the five major regions of the world: Africa, the Americas, Asia, Europe, and Oceania. Every national flag in the world includes at least one of the five colors, which are (from left to right) blue, yellow, black, green, and red. It is important to emphasize that Pierre de Coubertin never said nor wrote that the colors of the rings were linked with the different continents
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:18 pm

Comon, Lets not turn this thread into a geography session with regards to how many continents there are..... America is indeed 2 continents, North and South. Been taught that since young..

Anyway What are the airlines NOW that flies to all continents except antartica? I mean physically land, and does not include sight seeing, code share..

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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:31 pm

the actual saying was "Olympic Airways, The Airline Of 5 Continents" that was in reference to the rings on the tail, although they didn't actually fly to all 5 continents, it was more just a symbolic thing.
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:30 pm

Back to the original topic, indeed in the early 70's OA was actually flying to five continents, with JFK & YYL in the America(s), SYD & MEL in Australia, JNB, Nairobi, CAI in Africa, SIN and M.E. destinations in Asia and lots of EU destinations.
The motto was kept thru the 80's even when the Aussie flights were suspented, and re-surrected in the early 90's when BKK, Tokyo, BOS, ORD, Toronto were added to the long-range network. Of course all this was short-lived, designed with low-frequency, multi-stop B742 operations, when the world was moving towards high-frequency, non-stop B767-sized operations, with alliances and high-quality service being in top priorities.

All these were absent from the minds of the -90's style operations. What would you expect from state-fed managers, blackmailed by unions and afraid of public opinion.
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:03 pm

hm i love the route map of Pan Am (d'ACA Fan). Just wondering, did not PA fly Jakarta Sydney and on to the US ? (this JKT SYD route did not seem to appear on the map) ?With the B707. This according to a relative who knows airplanes and route coz she used to work for TWA back, as she said, in the good old days when flying was fun and people dressed up to go to the airport !!
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:11 pm

I would like to see Olympic on all continents again (JFK,BOS,ORD,LAX,YYY;YUL;GRU,GIG,EZE,SIN,BKK,KUL,HKG,NRT,KIX,SYD,MEL,JNB,CPT!) with a fleet of A-340/330 or 787/777 ! WOuld be great!!!!!!!

And by the way I`m from Germany and I did learn in Germany that Northamerica and Southamerica are two continents!!!!
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:21 pm

Instead of arguing about how many continents there are, how about looking it up? Here's an explanation of why different cultures count the continents differently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

Note the phrase: there is no single modern standard for what defines a continent

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Five Continents

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:16 pm

Isn't Australia just a really really big island? That would mean there are five continents - Asia/Europe, Africa, North Amercia, South America, Antarctica.
 
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:30 pm

Could sombody enlighten the rest of us just how in the Name of Beef, Olympic could have flown ATH-SYD nonstop? Because if they didn't, (which would have been impossible), it falls under the same categories as PanAm's pacigic flights, as flights with stop-overs...

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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:41 pm

The original post does not state the airline had to fly to all continents from it's home country. Therefore, stopovers are not an issue so PA is the winner!
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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:10 am

somebody asked the question of which airlines currently fly to all the continents excluding antarctica... these come to mind and im sure there's more

Malaysia Airlines...
Africa KUL-JNB-CPT
Asia... KUL...
Europe KUL-AMS
South America KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE
North America KUL-ARN-EWR
Australia KUL-SYD

South African Airways
Africa... JNB
Asia... JNB-HKG
Europe... JNB-LHR
South America... JNB-GRU
North America... JNB-JFK
Australia... JNB-PER

and pretty soon if LOS is started...
Continental Airlines
Africa... EWR-LOS
Asia... EWR-HKG
Europe... EWR-LGW
South America... IAH-BOG
North America... EWR...
Australia... GUM-CNS

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RE: Was OA The First Airline To Fly All 5 Continents?

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:27 am

Currently, British Airways.

Previously, BOAC, at least in 1961 when I started as crew with them, but doubtless a long time before!

I also used to operate on the only complete around the world BOAC service.
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