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Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:25 am

Strange time (late Friday evening) to confirm the order:

http://grupo.iberia.es/ingles/prensa...47-Renovacion%20flota%20ingles.doc

- 30 firm orders and 49 options
- Delivered between 2006 and 2011

Jeremiah

[Edited 2005-02-25 23:30:09]
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (incl. 18 A318s)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:27 am

Oh well, I think everyone new were this one was going.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (incl. 18 A318s)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:29 am

Well this is good news.

Congratulations Iberia.

Drew

EDIT: wow " In the first case there will be 15 Airbus A318, nine A320 and six A321."

They also ordered A318's thats amazing.

[Edited 2005-02-25 23:31:29]
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:35 am

YES!!! More Airbus orders!!
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:36 am

Very funny, Teahan. Laugh out loud I kinda thought your thread would be the survivor between an old a.netter's and a CREW a.netter's thread. And so it goes. . .

Anyhow, this is a pretty large order for Airbus. I wonder if IB will take all the options in time?
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:36 am

Teahan:

You beat me to it! And my post got deleted already....wow that was quick!! I agree...strange time for it to be announced but....it was expected yesterday.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:37 am

Welcome to the club IB!

Signed by

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[Edited 2005-02-26 00:09:20]
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:38 am

Good choice Iberia, glad to see you didn't go "SAS" on your fleet!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A32

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:38 am

I guess Mr. Stonecipher needs to repeat the Dale Carnegie Course: "How to Win Friends and Influence People?"  Wink/being sarcastic

[Edited 2005-02-25 23:42:20]
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:38 am

Ooooh...Im excited! A318's in IB colors....thats awesome!
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting SFOMEX (reply 6):
Welcome to the club IB!

Signed by

AF an MX, proudly A318 users.


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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:40 am

How come there are no A319's ordered?

CFM will probably win the engine order huh?

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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:40 am

I am really glad that another airline decided to order A 318's!

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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:42 am

Interesting to note this excerpt from the press release:

"The negotiation process has been characterized by a strong competition and professionalism, which Iberia wants to highlight and thank to both manufacturers, Airbus and Boeing. The fleet renewal is a constant process and the Company will have to face the selection of future long haul aircraft, being Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 the most interesting options."
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:01 am

Nice to see Airbus has found a new 'unexpected' customer found for the A318!

Coming to think of it, it was a bit strange the A318 was completely ignored in the speculations, because it does offer the right capacity to replace the Mad Dogs and makes sense in a soon-to-be all Airbus fleet like Iberia's.

Some things I find interesting to read in the press release:

The negotiation process has been characterized by strong competition and professionalism, which Iberia wants to highlight and thank both manufacturers, Airbus and Boeing, for.

That's the way to do it; maybe this time Boeing can refrain from throwing mud like a bad looser?

Our fleet renewal is a constant process and Iberia will have to face the selection of future long haul aircraft, being Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 as the most interesting options.

Wow, Iberia just signed a contract worth more than $4,500 million with Airbus and already we can start speculating what will be next for them: 787 or A350?! Although there won't be any doubt about which one will get it in the end I guess, since Iberia itself admits in their press release then will soon have a unique fleet composition, i.e. an all Airbus fleet, which will give great flexibility and lead to an improvement of both aircraft and crew productivity as well as a reduction in the need of spare parts, time and costs of crew training.

A question: is IB soon going to be the largest all Airbus airline in the world?
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:04 am

To get a greater discount this time indicates Airbus NEEDED the order, and were willing to prostitute themselves to secure it. Empty slots don't do anyone any good. This wasn't a competitive order, little Boeing involvement, there was no need to hit the floor.

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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:06 am

I guess I'm goint to see many more A318's !!!!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:06 am

personally, this is my favorite portion of the press release...

"Total aircraft catalogue price amounts to more than $4,500 million, over which the Company has obtained important discounts. "
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:11 am

How true, Alitalia744...another apparent example of an order being won by unit cost, rather than unit capability...
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:19 am

Alitalia744 and Pennpal that discount is different from the Ryanair discounts in what way?

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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:20 am

I wonder if IB's decision to order A318s will have an impact on their regional affiliate Air Nostrum's plans to convert CRJ200 options into CRJ900s. Perhaps IB wants to keep the 80-100 seat market to themselves and let Air Nostrum continue to fly 50-seaters only...

The CRJ200/900 decision is up next on IB's agenda, isn't it? March or May...
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:21 am

The two planes are very similar in capability and any advantage the 737 has is probably more than negated through the cost of adding/operating a new fleet type. If Boeing had won this order you would have seen significant discounts too.

It will be nice to see the A318 flying around Europe in IB's scheme.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am

And already it starts..... Big grin

Saw the news FR got MORE THAN 50% discount on their planes?
And guess were they come from? indeed, BOEING!

Besides, EADS is making money with HEAPS, so discounting?: Yes, suffering from it? Hardly.

BTW, just heard the last minute shift from the widely speculated A319s to the somewhat cheaper A318s did the trick for Airbus. Confirmation anybody?
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:35 am

Marvellous!! This is the Iberia which I like very much!!! IB & AIRBUS! Well done, IB! IB and the A320 family... the natural IB's choice for the short/medium haul.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:44 am

Well done to Airbus and IB. I would be curious what the last offer sheet from Boeing and Airbus looked like.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:47 am

Quoting PHXinterrupted (reply 15):
To get a greater discount this time indicates Airbus NEEDED the order, and were willing to prostitute themselves to secure it. Empty slots don't do anyone any good. This wasn't a competitive order, little Boeing involvement, there was no need to hit the floor.


No doubt you'll now point out to us where it says they got a 50% + discount, like what was reported for FR. After that, you can explain to us how this was 'not a competitive order' after the reports of Boeing having very much been 'in the race' to get this order themselves.

Don't compare this to the FR order, it's apples and oranges.

But then again, you weren't interested in the facts at all, were you? All you were interested in was making another uninformed oneliner post on you favorite fetish... Nothing new there.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:48 am

Why even bother placing this thread? surprise surprise hahahaha
now can we get an exciting order next time guys?

anyway congrats to IB and Airbus.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:01 am

This looks more and more like a kindergarten!
Regarding both the FR and IB orders, they were certainly most wanted by both A and B, but no surprise, really???
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:01 am

why just 30 planes when they intend to replace over 50 aircraft?
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:24 am

"To get a greater discount this time indicates Airbus NEEDED the order, and were willing to prostitute themselves to secure it. Empty slots don't do anyone any good. This wasn't a competitive order, little Boeing involvement, there was no need to hit the floor."


What a childish crap. Read about the price RYR got for their 738.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:32 am

Who the hell cares about the discounts! There was no way in hell Boeing was going to get this order, and they knew better than any of us. Congrats to Iberia and Airbus, but get over the price...it's all business in the end.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:39 am

I would have loved to see 737NG's in IB colours but the decision was obvious and made with good, logical business sense and so they chose Airbus. So, congratulations to both IB & Airbus.

However I do hope to see future Boeing models in IB colours, it would be sad not to. The 787 would look amazing with IB!!

Anyway dont turn this into the usual bash between..... its just business, not pleasure
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:39 am

If we do a comparison with the Ryanair order here, what's more interesting with IB is the fact they need new long hauls aircraft. This order should give Airbus a -small- advantage.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:05 am

Iberia order isn't a surprise. I think the surprise will be when they order the 787.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:10 am

The only surprise here is the A318.

As for long haul aircraft, Airbus will get that one too. The only thing Boeing will do by bidding for it is to ensure that Airbus gets less money from IB... Oh well.

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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting Howard500 (reply 31):
However I do hope to see future Boeing models in IB colours, it would be sad not to


Is sad seeing CO and DL with no Airbus aircrafts on their fleets as well!


Quoting SNATH (reply 34):
The only thing Boeing will do by bidding for it is to ensure that Airbus gets less money from IB...


AMEN to that, hahahaha
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:49 pm

C'mon...most of knew that IB would go with Airbus.......congrats to Airbus for the victory, but Boeing will be back...and hopefully they will get the Malaysia order and the LOT order, but I think LOT will go to Airbus.

I doubt IB will go with the 787, most probably A350..
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:51 pm

The only surprise here is the A318.

I agree. The ASM costs for a largely leisure carrier such as IB will kill them.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:08 pm

I'm not surprised that IB is ordering new A320 Family planes. After all, IB is already flying a fleet of them and also a good fraction of every Airbus plane has Spanish-built parts. If IB had bought new 737NG's there would have been a riot breaking out from the Spanish partner of EADS....
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:11 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (reply 37):
I agree. The ASM costs for a largely leisure carrier such as IB will kill them.


How does the ASM cost for the 319 compare to the 318? Does it balance with the lower aquisition cost of the 318 to the 319?

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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:31 pm

Congrats to Airbus on this one.

Boeing supporters, it's ok, B got orders this week too...
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:48 pm

I think is so stupid to believe that IB will think of purchasing the 787.

I really think that Boeing wont play the game with them, no more.

Iberia will continue its plans of ALL Airbus, and there is absolutely no doubt about that, its the most wise economical decision to become all Airbus, this order doesnt surprise no one.

Congrats to Airbus, but I hardly think they will lead in orders this year.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 3:00 pm

Good for IB!!!, and as SFO said, welcome to the A318 club... they just asked for a membership!!! Big grin

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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 4:52 pm

Nice one Udo.

It's no secret the A318 is far from cheap to operate compared to the alternatives available.

So you better hope you have high yielding pax to cover it.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:18 pm

Why in the world would they buy after the A318 was substituted? Yes the unit cost may be cheaper but the operating CASM will be higher than the A319. I'd suggest converting those orders to A319.
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:25 pm

Sorry guy's , but IB got a Good Price for Very good planes, i mean don't expect every narrow body order to be a Boeing order because airbus didn't received that much orders this year compared to boeing...


and about the A318, it makes more sense than introduce the 737-600, ERJ-190, 717 because they all have expensive operation costs compared to theire capicity, but they don't have to train whole new pilots for the A318 since they can use existing A321/20/19 pilots...
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A32

Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:52 pm

How true, Alitalia744...another apparent example of an order being won by unit cost, rather than unit capability...

Oh yeah, I forgot that Airbus builds only bad planes, contrary to the mighty American Boeing ...
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:05 pm

Now, now, now kids... Though I'm more a B than A guy I need to tell the B people something here. Best internal European flight I've ever had was an IB A-320 BCN-MAN. Incredibly comfortable, excellent seats, superb food, best cabin staff. Was a pure delight and completely changed my opinion of IB (previous flights and service was awful). IB knows what they're doing and though I'm a Boeing guy I heartfully acknowledge the A-320 family success. It's well deserved.

Having said that, the 777 and upcoming 787 will blow the A-340 off the map and threaten the strong A-380 initial showing. I've ridden the T777 and the A340 numerous times. The A-340 doesn't come close in comfort, quiet and overall flying experience. One more thing, let's not forget IB is looking at eventual merger possibilities with BA, who's leaning Airbus on short-haul service, at least.
 
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:14 pm

Oh man, unbelievable the stubborness of the A cheerers and the B cheerers.
But I agree, the only surpriss on this is order is the A318. It is good to see that it got some more orders -although I am not a huge A318 fan, though.
Will this A318 be PW powered ? This order makes perfectly sense for IB.

Anyway the sad news is not that Boeing was not chosen but that the Mad Dogs will leave the fleet soon and will be gone with the European major carriers after SAS will phase them out, too. So that will only leave mostly 737s and A320 family on European Skies. Kind of boring isn´t it !!!
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RE: Iberia Orders 30 A32S (15 A318s, 9 A320, 6 A321)

Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:20 pm

True, it's really not a big surprise to see IB ordering from Airbus - but it's a good order nonetheless... and it's not one bit less of a surprise than Ryanair's B737 order was...


Quoting B707Stu (reply 50):
the 777 and upcoming 787 will blow the A-340 off the map and threaten the strong A-380 initial showing


Since the B777 hasn't done that so far, I seriously doubt it will do so in the future - but the B787, combined with the A350, will most likely be the end of the A340-300. As for the A380 (and, for that much, the introduction of the A340, B777, B787 and any other comparison of A and B planes)... please let's keep that can of worms (the re-re-re-repeat of the usual B787/A380 comparison on here) closed!

Quoting B707Stu (reply 50):
The A-340 doesn't come close in comfort, quiet and overall flying experience.


Though it's really not the topic of this thread - I can only wholeheartedly disagree, also after having flown several segments on B777s and A340s...

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