hardiwv
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Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 pm

I undertand that the following are the major commercial airlines in China:

CA Air China
MU China Eastern Airlines
CJ China Northern Airlines
WH China Northwest Airlines
CZ China Southern Airlines
SZ China Southwest Airlines
XO China Xinjiang Airlines
3Q China Yunnan Airlines

Would you consider Cathay Pacific part of these group? What about Taiwan-based China Airlines?  Big grin

As far as I know none of these are member of an international alliance, correct? Could anyone clarify which is the best of these in terms of reliability, quality, service and international network. Also, which of these has the worst record?

Do Chinese airlines compete in the Chinese market, or the Government interferes in the market. Are they all Government owned airlines?

Is CA subtantially bigger than the others? Is there any foreign airline operating domestic flights in China?

Tks in advance for your answers!

Rgs,

[Edited 2005-02-26 13:05:08]
 
keno
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RE: Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:14 pm

Many smaller airlines in China have been taken over by the bigger ones over the recent years.

China Southwest Airlines -> now part of Air China
China Zhejiang Airlines -> now part of Air China
China Northern Airlines -> now part of China Southern
China Xinjiang Airlines -> now part of China Southern
China Yunnan Airlines -> now part of China Southern
China Northwest Airlines -> now part of China Eastern
China Xinhua Airlines -> now part of Hainan Airlines
China Shanxi Airlines -> now part of Hainan Airlines

Other major Chinese carriers that I can think of :-

Shanghai Airlines
Shenzhen Airlines
Xiamen Airlines

Quoting Hardiwv (reply 0):
Is CA subtantially bigger than the others?


Because of these mergers, China Southern, China Eastern and Hainan Airlines are no longer considered regional airlines because they have gained new hubs all over the country. I wouldn't be surprised if CZ is the biggest airline in China, but I'll let others confirm on this.

One could be forgiven for thinking that Hainan Airlines serve mainly from its base on Hainan island. It's certainly true in the past but not anymore. A look at their present route network and it could have easily been mistaken as the network for the national 'flagship' carrier of China. The same goes for CZ. In fact, out of the these 3 airlines - CA, CZ & HU, it seems that CA has the smallest domestic network.

http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/East...Asia/slides/Hainan%20Airlines.html
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/East...ina%20Southern%20-%20Domestic.html
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/East...es/Air%20China%20-%20Domestic.html

Would it be a good idea if these former regional airlines change their name to a broader name a la Air China? Maybe "China Airways" or something like that. Having the word 'southern' or 'eastern' doesn't do their network justice (ok it's a different case altogether for NW & WN  Big grin). Just my 2 cents anyway.

Quoting Hardiwv (reply 0):
Would you consider Cathay Pacific part of these group? What about Taiwan-based China Airlines?


Depends how you see it (be careful when talking about Taiwan/China issues coz some people might get offended  Big grin). CX only operates to PEK & XMN. All other Chinese cities are served by Dragonair (CX being one of the shareholders, but not the main one). As we all know, there are no scheduled flights between Taiwan & China (minus special charters).

[Edited 2005-02-26 14:17:51]
 
hardiwv
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RE: Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:25 pm

Thanks about your comprehensive post.

Quoting KEno (reply 1):
I wouldn't be surprised if CZ is the biggest airline in China, but I'll let others confirm on this.


Very interesting. Indeed, CZ has been expanding quite a lot and is probably China's major airline nowadays.

I also find strange that no Chinese airline is part of an international alliance - any reasons?

Tks,
 
cx777fan
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RE: Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:45 pm

No alliance members as such, but Oneworld members can earn miles on China Eastern. Possibly on their way to becomming an alliance member??
 
hardiwv
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RE: Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:38 am

China Southern also has very close cooperation with KL, maybe on its way to become member of Sky? And Air China always had excellent links with LH, probably future member of Star.

In the future the outlook of future internatioanl alliances in China are:

China Eastern - OW
China Southern - Sky
Air China - Star

Quoting KEno (reply 1):
As we all know, there are no scheduled flights between Taiwan & China (minus special charters).


I thought this restriction had been lifted. Doesnt Air China offer scheduled service from Taipei to China mainland?

Rgs,
 
keno
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RE: Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:33 am

The restriction is still very much around. Taiwanese airlines can only fly to HKG & MFM, and no Mainland Chinese airline operate scheduled flight to Taiwan (nonstop or otherwise). Recently there were a few special charter flights between the two countries, but that was only for Chinese New Year period.

See
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1924256
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1907129
 
mdwalkman
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RE: Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:03 am

Quoting Hardiwv (reply 4):
I thought this restriction had been lifted. Doesnt Air China offer scheduled service from Taipei to China mainland?


No the restriction is still there.
Taiwan says Chinese fighter jets are *likely* to use airliners as a cover to attack Taiwan, just like what Israel did.
Please excuse my poor English.
 
kdonohue
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RE: Chinese Airlines: How Do They Operate

Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:34 am

China Southern is the largest airline in China, and has been invited to join SkyTeam.

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