airgeek12
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Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:07 am


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What is the story behind these wierd birds and what were they used for?

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cs03
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:31 am

If memory serves: This A/C was used in service between France and the UK in the 1950s to transport cars and people across the English Channel. An early "combi"! The film "Goldfinger" featured the ATL-98 with actual footage pre-departure.
 
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:33 am

Ok thanks. From pics I thought it might have had something to do with cars. It just looks so wierd!! lol.
 
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:14 pm

There used to be one based @ 4A7 (Clayton County-Tara Field) up until a few years ago, operated by Academy Airlines, and later Custom Air Service. Same a/c N89FA was based at 6A2 (Griffin-Spaulding County Airport) before Academy moved it up the road to 4A7. They crashed one (N83FA) @ 6A2 4/4/97.The last photo of N89FA in the database is dated 12/29/2003, operating for Gator Global Flying Services, and is still listed on the FAA books.

I saw N89FA in 1999 @ ATL, and the a/c really caught my eye. I had no idea what it was. To me, it looked like the bastard child of a 747 and a DC-7.
 
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:24 pm

Quoting Srbmod (reply 3):
I saw N89FA in 1999 @ ATL, and the a/c really caught my eye. I had no idea what it was. To me, it looked like the bastard child of a 747 and a DC-7.

Haha ya. It's kind of scary! :p
 
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:54 pm

That's one funny looking plane I must admit. When I was younger, and I saw a picture of one for the first time, I must have laughed for minutes! :-P
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:59 pm

IIRC its actaul mommy was a dc-4.
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airgeek12
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:03 am

It looks like a big evil bird going to attack someone or something!
 
faenum
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 am

The Aircraft Data and History Section has an entry for the ATL-98 "Carvair" and I can tell you a bit more from personal sources. The ATL-98 was seen as a replacement for the long-nosed Bristol 170 Mk32s operated by Channel Air Bridge and car-ferry pioneer Silver City Airways. During 1962, Channel Air Bridge and Silver City merged to become British United Air Ferries (BUAF) effective 01 Jan 1963. In March 1962 I joined Silver City as a Traffic Officer at Lydd Ferryfield (EGMD / LYX) and worked there for BUAF until January 1966, when I transferred to the parent company, British United Airways (BUA), at London-Gatwick.

I have a hard-copy of the 1965 Jan/Feb edition of Esso World by Douglas Whybrow, Commercial Director of British United Air Ferries, confirming the ATL-98 first flew in 1961 and entered service on 16 February 1962. Whybrow (who I knew) states the converted DC-4 was conceived in 1958 by (Sir) Freddie Laker and manufactured by a team under J.R.Batt, director of Aviation Traders (Engineering) Ltd.; the Chief Designer was A. Leftley.

BUAF operated ATL-98s from Lydd to Basel, Geneva, Strasbourg and Liege. B170s continued to be used on the short routes to Le Touquet, Calais, Ostend and, in the summer, Deauville. The ATL-98s carried up to 5 cars and about 22 passengers. The B170's took 3 cars and 14 passengers. I can just about remember how to arrange cars of differing lengths and weights to get a balanced aircraft. At peak periods Lydd had around 120 movements a day.

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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:28 am

There is one still flying based at FAI. If I'm not mistaken, she is used for transporting pipes to bush villages. I was lucky enough to see her following the Chena River on her approach to FAI this summer.


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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:10 pm

I didn't know that FlyingNanook.

I knew that one got crashed up at Venitie a number of years back.
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:13 pm

When I was ten or eleven, my dad brought me an encyclopedia of aircraft.

For some reason, this aircraft stood out in my memory...probably because as stated above, it looks like a 747 with propeller engines!!
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RE: Aviation Traders ATL-98 Carvair

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:00 pm

L-188: Brooks bought this one in 2003 and she needed a lot of work to be airworthy again. Trust me, it is a very interesting sight to see one of those flying. My roommate and I were driving down University Ave (if you're familiar with the FAI area) and we heard this ungodly loud prop plane. I looked out the window and there was this slow, loud, and somewhat low airplane. I couldn't believe my eyes because the last time I saw her, she was still being repaired and looked like she never would fly. I was amazed and wish I had my camera with me.

I haven't seen or heard her flying after that and last time I was at the airport, she was covered in snow, but I think she may be up to flying some more next summer.

Here's a bit of information on her
http://www.flyinghigher.net/douglas/N898AT.php
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