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When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

Sun Feb 27, 2005 3:29 pm

In another thread a week or so ago, it came up that back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, fares changed so infrequently airlines could publish them in their timetables with little fear of being inaccurate. Rummaging around this afternoon I ran across where I had some old TWA timetables, and one I'd kept did indeed have the fares for every domestic city pair listed along with the flight times (international fares were listed separately across two pages of rules, and two pages of fares and fare add-ons).

The last TWA timetable I have with fares was effective June 7, 1979. The next most recent timetable I saved was effective October 1, 1980, and the fare information had vanished. The 1980 timetable had also shrunk in size from 75 pages to 23 pages due to a newer condensed style of listing flight times.

Sample fares from TWA's July 1979 timetable (all listed as round trip to compare with the excursion fares, even though the First and Coach fares--both without restrictions--were published as one-way):

San Francisco - New York round-trip:

  • $588.00 First Class (F)

  • $490.00 Coach (Y)

  • $490.00 First Class Night (FN)

  • $392.00 Night Coach (YN)

  • $343.00 Super Saver Peak - Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays (YWE6)

  • $294.00 Super Saver Off-Peak - Mondays thru Thursdays (YXE6)

  • $294.00 Super Saver Night Coach Peak - Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays (YNWE6)

  • $245.00 Super Saver Night Coach Off-Peak - Mondays thru Thursdays (YNXE6)


  • Chicago - Denver round-trip:

  • $262.00 First Class (F)

  • $218.00 Coach (Y)

  • $153.00 Super Saver Peak - Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays (YWE6)

  • $131.00 Super Saver Off-Peak - Mondays thru Thursdays (YXE6)

  • $ 98.00 Excursion (K)


  • From some of the footnotes, it appears that even though routes had become deregulated in 1978, fares were still regulated for a while, since a few are listed as "Subject to CAB approval," which could explain why fares were still rather stable and could continue to be published at that point in time.

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    alb222
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:38 am

    In looking at a DL 1976 schedule, the fares are pretty similar to those you have listed above. I like the family plan fares that used to exist. Father pays full, mother 3/4 fare and children under 17 1/2 fare.


    A NYC-FLL day coach fare was $202 in 1976......................more expensive than today. And if you look at the Supersaver fares that Aerowesty posted, they are compettitve to todays fares and were refundable.

    Herein lies the problem with the airline industry today..................the fares are too low based upon increased wages, increased cost of equipment and maintenance and increased fuel costs.

    So those who complain that fares are too high, do some research...........they are in fact too low to support today's costs and overcapacity..........the free market can only go so far..............perhaps some form of regulation in the airline industry needs to be reintroduced.............just my opinion!!
     
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:50 am

    One thing that has certainly changed is children's fares. These days a 12 year old pays full adult fare. No stdent/youth fares are available and UMs have to pay a 'handling fee'. This probably reflects the increase in children travelling between parents though...  Sad
     
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:59 am

    In the era of airline regulation, the government determined where each airline would fly, and how much they would charge for the fare. That's why the fares were posted in the timetable, as the airlines didn't have the option to charge any differently.

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    Tango-Bravo
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:53 am

    Quoting Alb222 (reply 1):
    A NYC-FLL day coach fare was $202 in 1976......................more expensive than today.


    And yet, even a "working stiff" like myself could afford to travel by air "back then." And in 1976 air travel was also seen as a valued convenience that could actually be enjoyed and appreciated rather than the cheap commodity and entitlement that air travel has become, thanks to airlines who chose to allow their product to become cheapened and dumbed down to the point where it is more to be merely tolerated than to be appreciated and enjoyed for the valuable service airlines provide.

    Flame me all you wish, but the airlines (legacies in particular) have proven to be totally and increasingly incapable of sensible, rational, equitable, responsible pricing of the valuable service they alone can provide in the world of public transportation. Since government and the public have come to view airlines as public utilities, it is therefore time for government to intervene with some form of pricing regulation which does away entirely with absurd loss-leader fares while dictating walk-up fares that are somewhere within the same universe as lowest fares.
     
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:40 am

    Both PSA and America West had fares printed in their timetables back in the day. $25 to fly from TUS-PHX...not bad considering it's $250 now.
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    alb222
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:57 am

    Quoting Tango-Bravo (reply 4):
    Since government and the public have come to view airlines as public utilities, it is therefore time for government to intervene with some form of pricing regulation which does away entirely with absurd loss-leader fares while dictating walk-up fares that are somewhere within the same universe as lowest fares.



    I happen to agree with you. The industry is not on an even footing.............union vs. non-union; wages; work rules. LCC's naturally have the upper hand due to their much lower costs. In spite of what people think, the legacies cannot reinvent themselves as an LCC. Obviously, a $99 fare on B6, WN will have more yield then the same fare on AA, CO, DL,UA,US,NW. WN, B6 equal Walmart. The legacies equal Nieman Marcus. There are more Walmart shoppers than Nieman Marcus Shoppers. Some form of regulation is needed to protect the older legacies or we'll soon be flying to Paris with peanuts and a Coke. We just need some equality...........just my opinion.
     
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:33 am

    Many CIS airlines still print full fare information on their timetables and have standard, clear, deductions for youth, students, penioners, military personnell, veterans, etc. Also, one can get student tickets from Student Universe and STA Travel in the US and some airlines do have student rates.
     
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:55 am

    http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...%20Compressed/PSA7006-midnight.jpg

    This is a picture of a PSA timetable for July, 1970. It not only lists the fares from one part of California to another (that's all they were permitted before deregulation), but you can see the schedule for the infamous late night flights for which PSA became famous.

    http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/TIMETABLES-PSA.html

    There's a link the airchive's PSA page. Tells the story of PSA 1970-1986 quite well.
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    isitsafenow
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:08 am

    Neiman Marcus has made a profit over the last three years but the big six(airlines) have not.
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    Boeing73G
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    RE: When Fares Were Printed In Timetables

    Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am

    Why are the fares not printed in timetables? Too many booking classes.

    The fares also fluctuate too quickly.

    Lower fares on Mondays and Tuesdays usually.