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A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:14 am

Hey I was just looking around, and I was wondering how you can possible call the a318 a widebody aircraft... I always considered a widebody to have two aisles..
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:16 am

I don't know where you saw that description but it is wrong.

you are right 2 aisles makes a widebody  Smile
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting Jfkaua (reply 0):
Hey I was just looking around, and I was wondering how you can possible call the a318 a widebody aircraft... I always considered a widebody to have two aisles..


Who claimed that? The A318 is a single aisle which is synonomous with narrowbody, not a widebody. A32S aircraft are slightly wider than Boeing narrowbodies, but a few inches does not qualify something as a widebody
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:20 am

An A318 is a wide body  Laugh out loud Who ever said that is it certainly knows nothing
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:25 am

yea thats what I would normally think... but its in big letters on airbus's website... http://www.airbus.com/product/a318_introduction.asp
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:27 am

Quoting Jfkaua (reply 4):
yea thats what I would normally think... but its in big letters on airbus's website...



That is purely marketing hyperbole. The A318 is a narrowbody.
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:28 am

hmm figured... I knew that it was single aisle but I thought that there might of been some classification of wide body I was missing..
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:01 am

Quoting Jfkaua (reply 4):
yea thats what I would normally think... but its in big letters on airbus's website... http://www.airbus.com/product/a318_introduction.asp
seee...

Airbus said that.....WOW, looks like Airbus don't even know their own planes  Sad
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:08 am

Airbus can call their A318 a widebody because IMHO there is no scientific definition to that term. Try looking it up in an encyclopedia.
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:17 am

well, cosidering how short it is, it looks relatively wide!! Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:37 am

It's just marketing... they're not saying it actually is a widebody. They're just saying it's big for a 100 seater.
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:39 am


Realistically, it's just another way of promoting the roominess of the cabin compared to their competitors!

Widebody is twin aisle, but you can have a "wide look" interior.

100-seat widebody: Hmmm.... Laugh out loud


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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:42 am

In terms of an ERJ or CRJ, it's a widebody..  Big grin
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:14 am

Why don't you guys read the context in which this statement is made? The description goes on to say it is the widest cabin in its class, the class being single aisle 3x3 seating. It's more a play on words than a marketing hype, because everyone in this market knows it is not a "widebody" in the sense of a twin-aisle.

The Challenger was also dubbed a "widebody" in the context of bizjets of the day.

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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:29 am

I recently read in a news article that Boeing has patented a design for a true widebody (e.g., twin aisle) for a 737 sized aircraft.

Not sure if that has been discussed on here previously or not (if it has, just ignore this and let the discussion string on this topic die) but I'd be curious to know how they patented it. I mean, is a really wide but really short fuselage patentable (assuming it is still efficient aerodynamically) or do they have something else up their sleeves?
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:36 pm

I had always thought of a wide-body as twin aisle. But, after reading this thread, got me thinking exactly when does a cabin become a widebody? If a 747 has a 5x5 seating with one aisle down the middle, is it still a widebody? If an A320 has 1x1x1 seating with two aisles, is it a widebody?

I would have thought by now, there would have been a definition of "widebody" by Boeing, Airbus, Lockheed, Douglas, whoever. Just my thoughts.
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:52 pm

Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (reply 12):
In terms of an ERJ or CRJ, it's a widebody..

Well obviously. ERJ/CRJ means skinny torture body
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting Jc2354 (reply 15):
I had always thought of a wide-body as twin aisle. But, after reading this thread, got me thinking exactly when does a cabin become a widebody? If a 747 has a 5x5 seating with one aisle down the middle, is it still a widebody? If an A320 has 1x1x1 seating with two aisles, is it a widebody?


And what does that make the 74F, if it has no aisles?  Confused

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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:24 pm

Easy, Harry: it's a nobody.
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:19 pm

Solnabo, how did your posting contribute to this thread in a positive way?

I guess I am not the only one who missed the point. Could it be, it has something to do with your signature?
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:43 pm

This airbus add is what you call Wrong publicity. It is punishable by the law atz least in France as far as i know
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:47 pm

The Cabin is a tad wider than its main competitor, the 737.
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:00 pm

Quoting 1millionflyer (reply 1):
you are right 2 aisles makes a widebody


You think that. I think that. A lot of people think that. However, some people don't think that. Airbus, for example, said that a "true widebody" could hold the same cargo containers side-by-side as a B747. Because the A300 could do this and the B767 couldn't, the latter airplane was sometimes referred to as a "semi-widebody" despite having two aisles.

The term "widebody" really is just marketing glib. Inversely, that's why you have the manufacturers preferring to refer to their "narrowbody" types as "single-aisle" rather than give the impression of cramped conditions.

Quoting RedFlyer (reply 14):
I recently read in a news article that Boeing has patented a design for a true widebody (e.g., twin aisle) for a 737 sized aircraft.


You can have a look for yourself:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html

When you get there do a search for "twin aisle small airplane". Enjoy.  Smile

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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:21 pm

Thats an interesting concept for the wide body 737 style aircraft
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:04 pm

Quoting RootsAir (reply 21):
This airbus add is what you call Wrong publicity.


Obviously.  Yeah sure

It's nothing but a play on words, just get over it. Airbus probably assumed nobody would think a 3-3 100-seater is a widebody so they made a catchy slogan out of it. Seems to have worked brilliantly.  Big grin

My definition of "widebody" is "pax aircraft that needs two aisles for proper boarding and evacuation or a cargo version of that or a similar-sized cargo aircraft". Semi-widebody or whatever the Airbus PR department called the 767, to me it is a widebody. As is the C-17.
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:13 pm

May be they are refering to the FAs....
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:28 pm

although it is a narrowbody...airbus made the entire A3.. series wide enough you can order the option to equip the cargo bins with canisters.
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting RootsAir (reply 21):
This airbus add is what you call Wrong publicity. It is punishable by the law atz least in France as far as i know



No, you're talking about lying advertisment. Saying it's a widebody is not a lie, it's a marketing effect.
And it's not an advertisment anyway, that's a website.
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:50 pm

Are you sure you're not mixing up with its nickname: the wide-baby?
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 pm

This has been discussed before. It's the fact that it is just over 12' wide that gives Airbus 'creative license' to market it as a wide body. Misleading for sure.
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:50 am

Ooh yes airbus doesn't know which of their aircrafts are widebody or a narrow body!

This is a sentence from http://www.airbus.com/product/a318_introduction.asp
The A318 is an ideal introduction for new customers to the Airbus single-aisle A320 Family and a perfect fleet extension for existing customers.

Airbus declares its A319, A320, A321 as narrowbodies. But it also says that the A318 is a widebody and a narrowbody  Confused  Nuts
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:26 am

Hey folks, a little bit of humor. This is only an Airbus advertisement. They did not mean a real widebody, they only wanted to say that the 318 has plenty of room for an only 100 seater. It is a word-play to say that the 318 has more width than any other 100 seater. I think this quite easy to understand.

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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:26 am

Jc2354:
5-5 is not a legal seating configuration.
No seat can be farther than two seats from the nearest aisle.
 
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RE: A318 Is A Widebody?

Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:10 am

Maybe the definition of wide body is kind of like tires. The ratio of length to width?
Just a guess.

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