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National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:14 am

Hello people  Smile

Couple of months ago I just became crazy about National Geographic Channel's Aircrash Investigation series and also Seconds from Disaster (e.g. Tenerfie B747's collision, Concorde).

I am actually very impressed by quality of these films, they are more (how to say?) suspenseful than any theather movie. I am sure they had to spent a lot of money to create such reconcstruction movies.

I am honestly quite disturbed by the movies, mainly because they are real stories and very well made but sometimes you are shocked by fact how big stories is real life able to write.

Today they were showing British Airways' aicraft's front window dissapear and captain is badly hurt but he survived, amazingly!

However, the strongest story for me is still Air Transat A330 whose engine died in midway over Atlantic. Thay landed in Asors, and they had been incredibly lucky...

Anybody watching it too?
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:38 pm

If you think those are something, you should see "Air Emergency". Last week they covered the mid-air collision between the DHL 757 and the Russian a/c full of children (sorry, can't remember the a/c type or airline right now). The animation was simply chilling.
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:30 pm

Quoting TheGov (reply 1):


It was a Tu-154.

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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:37 pm

I agree. 'Aircraft Investigation' is quite interesting to see. Have you already seen the episode on the Alaska Airlines MD-87?

I'd rather see them having no more subjects to do make more episodes, but unfortunately aircraft accidents will continue to happen  Sad

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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:55 pm

Hi all,

I would like to refer to this topic I started yesterday about National Geographic 'Aircraft Investigation'

Please take al look at this one: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/1983051/

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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:12 pm

The Alaska MD80 and AA MD80 and AeroPeru 757 were good programmes... Big grin

Very good insight... especially regarding the methodology... *comparing with other programmes that is*

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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:31 pm

In Canada these documentaries are shown on a TV programme called Mayday, on the Discovery Channel.
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:32 pm

I watch all of them, and totally agree, they are very good documentaries, even if they are ultimately very sad.

The Air Transat one was my favourite as well, and I have long thought about starting a discussion thread about that incident. I can't believe the captain got away with it - how can you transfer fuel into a tank which is obviously loosing fuel? If he didn't believe the computer when it said the tank was loosing fuel, then again - why the need to transfer fuel? Hasn't anyone thought of this?
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:41 pm

The air investigations are very well done. Not cheap or tacky programmes but well researched and put together. they are often quite scary and chilling reconstructions.
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:53 pm

I can't say what my favorite is, but the ASA had the most suspensful animations, where they animated it crashing inton the ground. Same goes with the Swissair where they show it hit the water.

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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:09 pm

Quoting TheGov (reply 1):
Last week they covered the mid-air collision between the DHL 757 and the Russian a/c full of children
I very well remember that case and also I saw the movie about it on Discovery Channel. However, these are not as good as those of National Geographic. Unfortunately, 'Czech' National Geographic is somehow behind UK so we will get the episode you mentioned soon  Smile However, from what I have seen on Discovery Channel, I probably didn't see so much unnecessary accident  Sad So much.
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:12 pm

Quoting Apuneger (reply 3):
Have you already seen the episode on the Alaska Airlines MD-87?
Yes I have and honestly, I will never fly with MD-87. They explained well not only maintenance criminal failure, but also design weaknesses. It's quite often about maintenance approach, and also very dangerous, because they are usualy hidden and it's difficult to see them comming. I am sure passengers has to live with horrible moments before their death  Sad
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting SN-A330 (reply 4):
Please take al look at this one: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...>
National Geographic already has movie about TWA800, 30 minutes episode as part of Seismic Seconds series. They are probably doing new one for Aircrash investigation series, but can they bring something new?

This was also horrible accident. Honestly, until I saw this document I thought the reason of crash is still unknown...

'This all happened in 45 seconds, but it took 4 years to understand...'
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting Ready4Pushback (reply 7):
The Air Transat one was my favourite as well, and I have long thought about starting a discussion thread about that incident. I can't believe the captain got away with it - how can you transfer fuel into a tank which is obviously loosing fuel? If he didn't believe the computer when it said the tank was loosing fuel, then again - why the need to transfer fuel? Hasn't anyone thought of this?
Exactly my thoughts! I am shocked he is seen as HERO! And then how he was flaunting on post-incident press conference, but such huge ignorance!

Honestly I cannot imagine how I fould feel being in that plane, huh!
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting Blackhawk144 (reply 9):
Same goes with the Swissair where they show it hit the water
I agree. What also impressed me that investigators didn't gave up and search through bilions of aicraft's pieces to find the real cause. It was really awesome.

But I have question regarding this. In the movie, there was a guy, engineer, how was making his own investigations and he actually recommended to change the screw before the crash. It was overhauled by some supervisors just to find that that plane crashed few months later. And then some lady, I am not sure but maybe from investigation team, she told that he cannot work for avioation industry anymore. I didn't understand why?
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:29 pm

I watched them all and I agree with you guys, top quality
research, like how a chain reaction starts mechanical or by human error it gives us a better understanding how and why, it even might give some people witch lost a loved one
or someone they know some closing in my case with
SR111, I went to the crash site and I could not understand
how and what append after I was able to watch the show
it explained a lot of questions I had.
Well done Discovery Channel!!!
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:46 am

Which case you mean? Fire in cocpit of Swiss Air?
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:10 am

These programs are very interesting. I think it also helps us appreciate the people who help us to have safe flights even more. There is obviously alot involved in keeping air travel safe with such small margins for errors. I wish Discovery Wings was still around to show programs like these.
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:05 pm

Quoting Tomys (reply 13):
Exactly my thoughts! I am shocked he is seen as HERO! And then how he was flaunting on post-incident press conference, but such huge ignorance!

Agreed. I think it raises a whole host of questions. Someone who "doesn't trust computers" pilotting an Airbus? errr, right. It was impressive that he brought the plane down, but he put it in that position in the first place. There were a number of points where he could have prevented that situation, and he didn't.
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:29 pm

Tomys - He can't work in the industry because he blew the whistle, unfortuntly whistle blowers are unable to work in the industry after they have brought shortcomings, incomptence etc to light of authorities or investigators, a sad but true fact.

It's a really good series and I do think it is the best programme I have seen in a long time, they actually do a lot of hard work to get such detail in their reconstruction. The one on Monday night here was the midair collision between the TU-154 and the B757F, it was really worth watching but they did slip up in the detail department though, they had a grey 757 flightdeck, the Aeroperu from the last series was spot on though.

Seconds From Disaster has so much potential but it is so sensationalistic, it really annoyed me with the Concorde one and seemed to side with the BEA (French Accident Investigators) report rather than what everyone else said - no mention of how the French wouldn't let anyone other than the BEA look at the wreckage and how it avoided facts like, they flew into the wind, the runway surface was in a horrendous condition etc...

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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting FlyingColours (reply 19):
He can't work in the industry because he blew the whistle, unfortuntly whistle blowers are unable to work in the industry after they have brought shortcomings, incomptence etc to light of authorities or investigators, a sad but true fact.
Really?! I am completely shocked honestly, he wanted safe lifes of many! This is really shocking info for me, thanks for explanation anyway. This is some law or what?

Quoting FlyingColours (reply 19):
Seconds From Disaster has so much potential but it is so sensationalistic
Ummmm... yes! I have to agree up to some level, true. But I somehow like it but indeed I would prefer facts before sensation!

They are rotating current series, does anybody know if NG is planning new episodes?

Quoting Ready4Pushback (reply 18):
Someone who "doesn't trust computers" pilotting an Airbus? errr, right. It was impressive that he brought the plane down, but he put it in that position in the first place. There were a number of points where he could have prevented that situation, and he didn't.

I completely agree. Actually, when I was watching that movie for the first time (it was in the night), with my head in my hands with open mouth I was just watching/listening his 'ummm, it has to be computer problem'!.

I feel just because he hasn't experienced this before and maintenance support had not any immediate solution, he just said 'it cannot be'. That's one of the biggest mistakes I believe.

I was working for one of mobile operators and one of my rules was 'Once you are not sure, expect/prepare for worse case'.
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:53 am

I agree. "Air Crash Investigation", "Seconds From Disaster", and "Air Emergency" have all been first rate. I set my recorder for them if I'm not home. They are very detailed and yet get to the point of why and how things happen. Very insightful.
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:12 am

 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:21 am

"Seconds from disaster" is fairly good, if only they cut out all the repeated segments. What they cover in an hour could easily be condensed into a 40 minute programme - without losing anything.

For example, one programme they did was on Eschede where the German ICE train derailed and brought down a concrete bridge on itself. One segment there was getting repeated over and over, so I started to count. By the end of the programme I counted 19 (nineteen) repetitions of the same segment - and it had been repeated many a time before that.

Dumbing down, to allow slower people to digest information, or padding to fill an hour?

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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:27 am

It's such frustrating to see this happening, they had an airport 6 km away and they had to land in the field...
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:29 am

Geoffm, I agree with your comment, your example is good. I honestly don't know why they are doing this... Probably to fill 45 minutes of film...
 
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RE: National Geographic's Aircrash Investigation

Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:37 am

Quoting Ready4Pushback (reply 18):
Agreed. I think it raises a whole host of questions. Someone who "doesn't trust computers" pilotting an Airbus? errr, right. It was impressive that he brought the plane down, but he put it in that position in the first place. There were a number of points where he could have prevented that situation, and he didn't.


But that's very easy to monday morning quarterback after the fact, isn't? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, I wasn't there nor am I an expert on the subject to the point where I can criticize.

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