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Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:03 pm

The 772 is now on Air NZ's website schedules. There is also a seat map (below).

 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Wed Mar 02, 2005 8:24 pm

NZ747, what route will the B772 operate on first?
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:11 pm

Isn't it supposed to be a 3-class cabin(J,Y+ and Y)?
I would imagine that Y+ would at worst be 8 abreast.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:47 pm

first route on arrival of the tripple 7 is auckland to san francisco around oct
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:58 pm

I wonder if Air NZ will offer an introductory fare of $777 in Y and $1777 in business when they use the 777 on new U.S. destinations?

When they started SFO they had $1747 in Business--still kicking myself for not hopping on that one.
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:14 pm

Only 4 abreast in J class!?!?

Most carriers have at least 6 abreast!
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting NZ747 (reply 0):
There is also a seat map

The seat map is not part of the seat maps for all types flown, on the AirNZ web site as of an hour ago. Can you provide the link?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:00 am

Only 4 abreast in J class!?!?

Keep in mind that the Business Class seats (virtually identical to the Virgin UpperClass Suite) are too large to fit 6 abreast.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:17 am

Sorry I can't provide a link, as it is javascript link (no html tag). If you play around with the site and click to book from akl-sfo in november/december, then click 'select seats' the map will come up.

I think rows 31-38 are Y+ but I would think it would be less than 9 abreast. There is no new map for the new 744 seating.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:31 am

What's going on between rows twelve and thirty-one?
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:36 am

Still can't work out why different seats are grey, blue and green? anyone know why?
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:15 pm

Quoting 777ER (reply 10):
Still can't work out why different seats are grey, blue and green? anyone know why?


The map is that of an actual flight. I think the 6th of December

-Green and the grey seats between rows 31-38 are economy seating for Star Alliance silver, gold, and gold elite members. Only these members may request to reserve these seats before checking in for that flight. On check-in, the rest are offered to anyone.

-The grey seats are seats that have been reserved already for that flight

-The blue seats are available seats in economy class

-the green seats are available seats in the 31-38row section
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:05 pm

SFO-Auckland on the 777? I thought that twin engine aircraft had to obey the ETOPS (ExTended Overwater oPerationS) rules; which is the aircraft has to be at least a certain amount of minutes from a suitable airport. If my geography is correct I don't think that is possible?

Is IT????
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:24 pm

65 captain.etops from AKL-SFO.I would suppose heading to PPT,LAX,might just do it,but I'm not too sure.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:29 pm

Ahhh that figures NZ747, thanks
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:30 pm

65 captin

Check out the link below, not sure of actual 777 range but there's a map creator tool which allows you to show an ETOPS 180 map from AKL-SFO, looks like the route is well within ETOPS rules.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:51 pm

Any news if they plan to fly to NYC?
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:57 pm

Here is the map, using ETOPS 180
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:09 am

Got it!!!

Thanks Cxsjr.
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting NZ747 (reply 0):
There is also a seat map (below).


This seat plan is quite different from the earlier reported one of 26-J; 18-Y+ and 269-Y.
By my figuring it is 34-J; 72-Y+ and 189-Y.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:02 am

There is no chance in hell they're operating their business class on the widest twinjet ever conceived in a 4 abreast layout.

Many carriers fit 7 abreast on the 777 even.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting Gigneil (reply 20):
There is no chance in hell they're operating their business class on the widest twinjet ever conceived in a 4 abreast layout.

Many carriers fit 7 abreast on the 777 even.


Such confidence...

It's a premium business product, same config as VS, in herring-bone pattern. They only have 3 abreast on the A346, but it's high longitudinal density.


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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:53 am

Quoting SunriseValley (reply 19):
This seat plan is quite different from the earlier reported one of 26-J; 18-Y+ and 269-Y.
By my figuring it is 34-J; 72-Y+ and 189-Y.

Thats because the final seating arrangements hadn't been sorted out
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:54 am

The final seating arrangement was sorted out months ago and as I reported will be 26/18/269.

The seatmap shown above is generated by the ITN website, not Air NZ, so the layout is limited by what ITN's software is capable of.

And Gigneil - the Business Premier layout will indeed be 1-2-1.
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:41 pm

Quoting TG992 (reply 23):
The final seating arrangement was sorted out months ago and as I reported will be 26/18/269


Below is what I found in an NZ news release dated 24/02/2005
On-sale dates, final pricing and exact aircraft configuration for all three classes will be announced shortly."
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting Gigneil (reply 20):
There is no chance in hell they're operating their business class on the widest twinjet ever conceived in a 4 abreast layout.



Wrong again Gigneil- but I forgot- you know everything. This is a premium business class pod, not a typical 7-abreat seat.
Ohh sorry, you told us you were more accurate than 99.53% of posts on this site....yeah right!!!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:13 pm

Am I the only one that noticed the lack of a second aisle in Business Class?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:22 pm

My spies tell me NZ had a devil of a time fitting the VS type seats in four abreast, but has settled on two in the middle herringbone style as in the VS 744s and a more sharply angled line of pods down either wall, more like what AA does on its trans Atlantic 777s.

One casualty of this is the quality of economy plus, in that it will be nine abreast like standard ec onomy, and standard economy will not have quite as much generous pitch as it will fontinue to have in the refitted NS 744s, which will be eight across in premium Y.

It was a bit of a stuff up not to actually work out how to fit the VS product into the 777 in the first place, but I still think the end result will be brilliant and sure give Qantas a bit of curry on routes like Auckland-US.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:25 pm

Yeah I was trying to figure that one out. How do the passengers in isle 'A' get to their seat?
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:58 pm

I thought that NZ were going to go trans tasman with the 777 initially for crew familiarisation purposes
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:06 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (reply 29):
I thought that NZ were going to go trans tasman with the 777 initially for crew familiarisation purposes

Thats what I thought also. I'm sure that if the B777 was doing crew training on the tasman then us kiwi members could have arranged 'the great kiwi invasion' and flowen on the first flight and done a days spotting
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:10 pm

Yeah I know what you mean, I will be going up to AKL later this year just to see the 777 come in for the first time into NZ.
Would be a very nice time, at night as well, I presume there would be a few of us there
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:10 pm

There's still a lot of time for NZ to schedule the 777 Trans Tasman but the only route in the schedules in CRS's currently is AKL-SFO. I'm checking every day to see if/when they have added another route....

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:31 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (reply 31):
at night as well, I presume there would be a few of us there

I am also aiming to be there.
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:47 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (reply 29):
I thought that NZ were going to go trans tasman with the 777 initially for crew familiarisation purposes


I am sick of repeating myself. The 1st 2 aircraft ARE doing flights from AKL to SYD/MEL and BNE until Oct 30th when they are officially launched on the AKL-SFO route. The schedules still show the A320/744/763 on the tasman as there is no guarantee that the 772 will be available everyday. It will be used as and when seen fit for training.

Also, as TG992 said, the seat plans were finalised months ago. Who gives a toss what you all think or don't think should be there or not there. I have the seating plan in front of me right now, and it hasn't changed.

Instead of rehashing the same info, and arguing over it, why don't you pay attention when people who know(myself, TG992, 777ER), provide it in the 1st place.


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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:59 pm

are we likly to see some pics on the anz website of this, 744, 772's in there new layout , when you have completed the aircraft out ,
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:04 pm

Quoting Zkojh (reply 35):
see some pics on the anz website of this, 744, 772's in there new layout

Most likly as the new lay out is the future of NZ long haul.
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:33 pm

NZ1,

You've been sitting on this secret for months. I'm not doubting you, just tell us how they fitted the VS 747 layout for four abreast into the slightly but apparently really awkwardly narrower diameter of the 777.

I'm not knocking the new product. I'm just keen for you to reveal precisely how they did it, and why the seat map shown in in error in a vareity of details.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:24 pm

Quoting 777ER (reply 33):
Quoting ZKSUJ (reply 31):
at night as well, I presume there would be a few of us there

I am also aiming to be there.


I will be coming back from my trip to Asia at about that time, so will hopefully be there. I'm guessing the International terminal viewing deck will be packed with people, so it might pay to get in a day earlier and set up camp  Silly.

In the pic below, how do the passengers in isle 'A' get in and out of their seats?

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:05 am

Many thanks for the info, NZ1! I have followed your other posts regarding the 777 and I just want a clarification on your new information: NZ will not schedule the 777 Trans Tasman ? They will only fly it as a subsitute on some flights ?

That's too bad; it makes it more difficult to catch the NZ 777 on those flights....I suspect that when NZ has more 777s, they will fly the 777 Trans Tasman like they do now with the 744 and 763.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:47 am

Quoting NZ747 (reply 38):
International terminal viewing deck will be packed with people, so it might pay to get in a day earlier and set up camp

The B772 would be taken to the NZ hanger and keeped under 'lock and key' for a while intill it operates some flights, same could apply with -OKB when it arrives about 1 week later. So far both -OKA and -OKB are scheduled to arrive at night. I think -OKA is scheduled in the early hours
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:21 pm

SFO / KSFO), USA - California">SFO-Auckland on the 777? I thought that twin engine aircraft had to obey the ETOPS (ExTended Overwater oPerationS) rules; which is the aircraft has to be at least a certain amount of minutes from a suitable airport. If my geography is correct I don't think that is possible?

ETOPS has nothing to do with water. It's time to a diversionary airport on one engine that counts. Whether it is over land or water is irrelevant. ETOPS stands for "Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards". No water there Wink

And with ETOPS 207 SFO->Auckland is not really a problem.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:29 pm

Just to back up NZ1 and TG992 (someone has too !) ...

The seat maps for Air New Zealand's refitted 744s and 777s were set along time ago - Q3/Q4 last year - and I would be willing to wager serious money that they will be delivered into service as specified.

For me, the design they have arrived at looks roomy (as one would expect on the 744s (ala VS)) and on the 777.

As for 'having a devil of a time' I sure there were small engineering difficulties to over come when undertaking a D Check and fitting a new interior with a new IFE, but anyone who thinks the seat layout and all related wiring were not planned for (to the n-degree - and seriously - you could not carry the techncial drawing/diagrams and schedules under one arm for something the size of the 744/777!) is just plain looney! And doing Air New Zealand Engineering Services a huge injustice.

I was wondering (probably a question for NZ1) : I am presuming the 777 are delivered with seats in-situ - are ANZES sharing/learning knowledge from the Boeing fit out of the 777s with the 'local' experience of the 744s ?
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:49 pm

V2fix,

NZ told the local media it was having problems fitting the seats in last december and acknowledged that this was an oversight.

Not as big an oversight as buying Ansett for sure, but clear evidence that the tradition of cock ups continues on a less grand scale.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:05 pm

Quoting Antares (reply 43):
but clear evidence that the tradition of cock ups continues on a less grand scale.
Not a exactly a cock-up as VS don't operate any B777s as the seats are or close to the same design as the VS ones. NZ didn't know the arrangement would fit in 100%. The seats are fitting in the B744 easily as VS do operate B744s so VS can help NZ with installing them.
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:14 pm

777ER.

I'm a fan of Air NZ from way back to TE DC-6s, however there is no excuse for not checking the floor plans on the part of management. I don't see what the lack of a 777 in the VS fleet has to do with it. Some posters say the plans have been set in concrete and on their desk for a year, which I doubt, otherwise we'd would have been shown the floor plans ages ago, not have to wait until just recently and then get fobbed off with a J class wide body cabin with only a single aisle and no representation of the shape or fuction of the VS suite.

Very clumsy, but I'm sure it will be right on the day.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:45 pm

Quoting Antares (reply 45):


Isn't the floor size bigger then the A340? maybe NZ wanted a different seating plan
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:51 pm

777ER

That wasn't my reply. I would have thought it bleedin' obvious that they wouldn't be interested in the three across A340 plan used by VS its just that the extra space of the 777 doesn't quite allow the same four across config used in the VS 744s. The leaks are that this will be achieved in the 777 by making those against the window adopt a different angle to those in the 747.

Whatever they do, it will kill the Qantas layout.

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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:02 pm

As NZ1 has said the seating plan has been sorted. Im sure it's fine, or AirNZ would still be working on it. Just take it as it comes.

Business Class:The bed is angled away from the window at a 45 degree angle.

Premium Economy: 39/40" seat pitch with a wider Recaro seat.

For the 744, The Premium economy seats will be located at the rear of the upper deck, but it is expected that a complete zone on the main deck will come later on. Premium Economy passengers will also get business class service. Including meals.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand 777 Seat Map

Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:08 pm

Also Ralph Norris has been noted saying..

Quote: "Some of the new routes could include Auckland-Denver, Christchurch-Dallas or Auckland-Chicago"

Just thought I'd throw that one in.