777DadandJr
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LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:42 am

G'day All!

Here is an interesting comparison for you.

I am going to Seattle in June and was researching flights. My first thought was to take WN from BWI. Figured it would be the best deal.
I live in York Pa and MDT (Harrisburg Int'l) is closer, but usually more $$ because it is a smaller airport.
Anyway, I check out WN from BWI to SEA. Then I looked into flying from MDT to SEA. To my surprise, UA from MDT-SEA, connecting in ORD was $230.00 cheaper than WN (for 3 seat)!
So, for my $230.00 savings, what did I get?

1: 1/2 hour to the airport instead of 1 1/2
2: IFE
3: In flight meals
4: Assigned seating, MY choice!
5: opportunity to sample 3 types of a/c instead of 1 (CRJ, 777, 757) vs 737 only
6: Miles of smiles!  Big thumbs up

It pays to shop. LCC's are not always the LowestCC's !

Russ
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MaverickM11
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RE: LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:15 am

I think everyone forgets that LCC refers to lowest cost, not lowest revenue/ticket price.
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NASBWI
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RE: LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:27 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (reply 1):
I think everyone forgets that LCC refers to lowest cost, not lowest revenue/ticket price.


Very true. A friend of mine that lives in Seattle booked a ticket on UA for about a hundred dollars less than WN to fly to the Balt/Wash area. The same with a cousin of a friend of mine; he paid far less on AS to fly here than WN. The only drawback to flying either UA or AS is that neither airlines fly into BWI (for the price they paid), but instead to IAD - for anyone that lives in Baltimore, you KNOW what kind of trouble that can be getting out there to pick them up!! hahaha, good times on I-95/495.

George
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777DadandJr
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RE: LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:39 am

Quoting NASBWI (reply 2):
The only drawback to flying either UA or AS is that neither airlines fly into BWI (for the price they paid), but instead to IAD - for anyone that lives in Baltimore, you KNOW what kind of trouble that can be getting out there to pick them up!! hahaha, good times on I-95/495.


I concure, George. The same hold true for folks in my area. Flying out of MDT is much less of a hassle than BWI. Besides being closer, at MDT the parking is much cheaper, the terminal is smaller and brand new and it only takes about 10 minutes to get from checkin, through security and to your gate.

Russ
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FoxBravo
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RE: LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:46 am

I have often found JetBlue's lowest fares out of NY to be higher than the lowest fares offered by the "full fare" carriers.

I think what people often don't realize is that the difference between the LCCs and the legacies is not so much with respect to the lowest fares offered, but rather the highest fares offered. The major airlines have always offered pretty decent fares in most (i.e., non-monopoly) markets, provided you buy well in advance, include a Saturday night stay, and book a round trip. However, if you take away any (or all) of those factors, the prices skyrocket.

The LCCs, by contrast, generally sell tickets on a one-way basis. There may be a discount for advance purchase, but a round trip or a Saturday night stay is rarely required. So, when you compare the fares for a walk-up one-way ticket, the LCCs are almost always much lower.

Note that this is starting to change--Delta's fare overhaul, for example, has addressed many of these differences, bringing their fare structure more in line with the LCCs.
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gigneil
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RE: LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:48 am

Its low cost, not necessarily low fare.

N
 
m404
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RE: LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:03 pm

Some carriers are called LCCs because it's cost them less to produce a seat mile, sell it, and make a profit.

Many carriers can sell a seat at a low price below what it costs to produce and lose a bundle.

Market share vs market reality
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exFATboy
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RE: LCC's Not Always LowestCC

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:15 am

FoxBravo's hit the nail on the head - LCCs will (almost) always beat a "legacy" carrier on walk-up fares, but on advance purchase, the majors compete aggressively.

I fly NYC-Tampa several times a year, and for advance purchases AA is frequently cheaper than JetBlue. Even if they're the same price, it's cheaper to get to LGA than JFK (if you have a lot of bags and have to take a cab or black car), so AA wins.

DL also frequently beats B6 for advance purchase from NYC-Florida as well, but I usually don't fly them (nothing against DL, I've always been fond of them, just FF mile management.  Smile )