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Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:02 am

I am astonished at the number of destinations USAirways has in West Virginia:

Charleston
Lewisburg/Greenbrier
Huntington
Parkersburg
Clarksburg
Morgantown
Beckley
Bluefield

Eight cities! I can't even believe a state the size and population of West Virginia has eight commercial airports to begin with (let alone served by the same airline).

Does any other state come close in numbers of airports per capita population?
 
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:05 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 0):
Does any other state come close in numbers of airports per capita population?



Yes. Alaska.



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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:07 am

well Alaska is not comparable because of its immense size and total remoteness. Towns of 1000 people have airports as their only connection to civilization. In contrast, West Virginia is a small state in the heavily populated mid-Atlantic region

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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 2):
Towns of 1000 people have airports as their only connection to civilization.


In case you haven't been, same can be said about West Virginia.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:18 am

But to answer your question-

As far as commercial airports per capita, I did a little research to a Geography friend and he told me Michigan. I've found some books, documents and web pages that support this claim and am trying to confirm it. But I can confirm that Oklahoma is number four.

Of course the term commercial is also somewhat vague and loose and can include charter/fb operations.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:19 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 2):
In contrast, West Virginia is a small state in the heavily populated mid-Atlantic region


The state may sit in a heavily populated area, but the state itself is not heavily populated. Most of the larger cities (which aren't large compared to cities outside the state) lay pretty remote - surrounded by mountains and away from other cities.

Plus, you have to consider the amount of service these cities are getting. Most of them are only 2-3 B1900's a day.



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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:24 am

Haha! I am sitting at my home in West Virginia now and you're right! We do have a lot of airports. We also had airline service to Elkins and Cumberland (technically in West Virginia. It serves Cumberland, MD, but the airport is in Wiley Ford, WV) until a few years ago. Elkins was served over the years by American Airlines, yes I did say American Airlines, Allegheny Commuter, Colgan Airways, Christman Air System, Presidential Airways (United Express, Continental Express, and New York Air Connection), and then Colgan Air again. Cumberland had service from All-American, Allegheny and its very own Cumberland Airlines, serving BWI, DCA, PHL, and PIT for many years. After that USAir Express came in and then pulled out about four years ago. A lot of the airline service you see comes from that "Essential Air Service" deal that the government has with isolated communities. If you ever fly over West Virginia you will see that the entire state is an isolated community.
 
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:38 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 2):
Towns of 1000 people have airports as their only connection to civilization


Villages of less than a hundred people have airports for connection to the outside world . . . . .

Example: Hughes, Alaska. Population: roughly 60. Service: Twice Daily to Fairbanks, M-Sa.

Example: Skagway, Alaska. Population: roughly 650. Service: Five Daily to Juneau, M-Su

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 2):
well Alaska is not comparable because of its immense size and total remoteness.


That wasn't the original question. Answering the original question, the only correct answer is Alaska. Go to AirNav.com and have a look at Alaska. Any way you slice it, Alaska wins this one.

In just Southeast Alaska alone - similar land mass to West Virginy . . . I can count the following commercial airports off the top of my head.

SGY, HNS, JNU, SIT, WGL, PTB, KTN, GUS, YAK.

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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:46 am

"Example: Skagway, Alaska. Population: roughly 650. Service: Five Daily to Juneau, M-Su"

Ive been to skagway...its a cruise ship port and a ferry port (Which ive been on) on highway that leads off from the alaskan highway. BTW...that drive to skagway is freakin amazing.
 
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:48 am

How about New Mexico, Montana, maybe some midwestern states like Kansas, Nebraska
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:51 am

Here's a very rough diagram of Commercial Service Airports that I've been working on that might give you an idea

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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (reply 8):
Ive been to skagway...



Good for you. I grew up there . . . . no road there when I was a child. Either put your car on the Ferry or bring it down the mountain on the train.

Now that road into town, 6-8 percent gradient for 15 miles, now that's a hoot.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:36 am

With 325 airports recognized by the FAA and population of 626,392 (census 2000), Alaska has one airport for every 1,929 people.

West Virginia has one airport for every 48,874 people. (37 airports, 1.8 million people)

Considering the fact that Alaska by far has the most airports of any state, and it is the third least populous state (behind Vermont and Wyoming), it is awfully difficult for any other state to reach its ratio of airports to people.

I have to run errands now, but when I get back, I will figure out the ratios for all the states. Unless someone beats me to it.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting FlyingNanook (reply 12):
I have to run errands now, but when I get back, I will figure out the ratios for all the states. Unless someone beats me to it.


wow. that's an impressive effort. I eagerly await your results. Hope you can list them from most (Alaska) to least. Happy shopping.
 
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:27 pm

OK so here's the ranking of Most Airports per Capita (AKA Fewest people per airport) This is using population as of 2003 and number of public airports according to the FAA. Hopefully the formatting won't be too screwed up. Enjoy.


Rank-- State-- Population-- Airports--People per Airport
1 Alaska 648,818 414 1,567
2 North Dakota 633,837 90 7,043
3 Montana 917,621 123 7,460
4 South Dakota 764,309 75 10,191
5 Idaho 1,366,332 119 11,482
6 Wyoming 501,242 42 11,934
7 Kansas 2,723,507 143 19,046
8 Nebraska 1,739,291 91 19,113
9 Maine 1,305,728 68 19,202
10 Oklahoma 3,511,532 149 23,567
11 Iowa 2,944,062 122 24,132
12 Arkansas 2,725,714 100 27,257
13 New Mexico 1,874,614 62 30,236
14 Minnesota 5,059,375 156 32,432
15 Vermont 619,107 18 34,395
16 Mississippi 2,881,281 82 35,138
17 Oregon 3,559,596 98 36,322
18 Wisconsin 5,472,299 131 41,773
19 Michigan 10,079,985 237 42,532
20 Nevada 2,241,154 52 43,099
21 Missouri 5,704,484 131 43,546
22 Washington 6,131,445 140 43,796
23 Alabama 4,500,752 99 45,462
24 Utah 2,351,467 49 47,989
25 West Virginia 1,810,354 37 48,928
26 New Hampshire 1,287,687 26 49,526
27 Indiana 6,195,643 114 54,348
28 Louisiana 4,496,334 81 55,510
29 Texas 22,118,509 393 56,281
30 Colorado 4,550,688 79 57,604
31 South Carolina 4,147,152 70 59,245
32 Ohio 11,435,798 175 65,347
33 Arizona 5,580,811 84 66,438
34 Kentucky 4,119,827 61 67,538
35 Tennessee 5,841,748 83 70,383
36 Delaware 817,491 11 74,317
37 North Carolina 8,407,248 112 75,065
38 Georgia 8,684,715 109 79,676
39 Pennsylvania 12,365,455 139 88,960
40 Hawaii 1,257,608 14 89,829
41 Illinois 12,653,544 118 107,233
42 Virginia 7,386,330 68 108,623
43 New York 19,190,115 162 118,458
44 Florida 17,019,068 139 122,439
45 Rhode Island 1,076,164 8 134,521
46 California 35,484,453 263 134,922
47 Maryland 5,508,909 38 144,971
48 Connecticut 3,483,372 24 145,141
49 Massachusetts 6,433,422 44 146,214
50 New Jersey 8,638,396 52 166,123

If anybody's really interested, I can send you the excel spreadsheet.

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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:39 pm

If you did it with commercial service airports, it would be quite different though.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:51 pm

Quoting SLC1 (reply 15):
If you did it with commercial service airports, it would be quite different though


Perhaps, my SLC friend, you're wrong . . . First, qualify "commercial". Then we can discuss that.

Second, every little village in Alaska has a "Commercial" flight. They are regularly scheduled, flown by qualified pilots, and carry pax, mail, bags, etc.

They have no inflight gizmos - not even the friendly, George Carlin version of the "Safety Lecture" - it's done before boarding the 5-7 pax normally carried . . . but they are, in every sense of the word commercial flights.

My girlfriends parents live in Hughes. Pop = 60, on a good day. That little village on the Koyukuk River gets schedules carrier service.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:56 pm

Nice North Dakota is #2

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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:42 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (reply 16):
Perhaps, my SLC friend, you're wrong . . . First, qualify "commercial". Then we can discuss that.


I know, I'm not trying to discount Nanook's amazing efforts, and classifying "commercial" is very difficult if not impossible, I was just posing the question as a Hypothetical, considering that the original post referred to airports served by US in W.V.

I'd probably qualify as commercial as scheduled service, but then again that poses problems, especially when thinking of airlines like Block Island Air, Kenmore Air, Tab Express, Cape Air, Salmon Air, as well as scheduled Air Taxi services (which I'd tend to include), and scheduled charters where I'd probably do the same.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:11 pm

My efforts weren't all too amazing, but thanks. It took me longer to get it to display properly on the forum than to compile the data. I spent maybe 10 minutes with the spreadsheet. I tried to find commercial airport numbers but I couldn't find them. I would assume that the rankings would be similar to the list. If anybody knows where to find commercial airport numbers, it would take me less than 5 minutes to figure out the ratios.
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RE: Does W.Virginia Have Most Airports Per Capita?

Thu Mar 03, 2005 6:54 pm

So I found a listing of airports which had commercial emplanements in 1996. So here's my previous list using commercial airports.

Rank-- State-- Population-- Airports-- People per Airport
1 Alaska 648,818 352 1,843
2 Wyoming 501,242 22 22,784
3 Kansas 2,723,507 73 37,308
4 Montana 917,621 23 39,897
5 North Dakota 633,837 13 48,757
6 South Dakota 764,309 15 50,954
7 Idaho 1,366,332 24 56,931
8 New Mexico 1,874,614 24 78,109
9 Nebraska 1,739,291 21 82,823
10 Hawaii 1,257,608 15 83,841
11 Washington 6,131,445 66 92,901
12 Oregon 3,559,596 38 93,674
13 Iowa 2,944,062 31 94,970
14 Kentucky 4,119,827 39 105,637
15 Utah 2,351,467 22 106,885
16 Maine 1,305,728 12 108,811
17 Arkansas 2,725,714 23 118,509
18 West Virginia 1,810,354 15 120,690
19 Minnesota 5,059,375 39 129,728
20 Wisconsin 5,472,299 40 136,807
21 South Carolina 4,147,152 29 143,005
22 New Hampshire 1,287,687 9 143,076
23 Indiana 6,195,643 41 151,113
24 Ohio 11,435,798 75 152,477
25 Arizona 5,580,811 36 155,023
26 Mississippi 2,881,281 18 160,071
27 Nevada 2,241,154 14 160,082
28 Tennessee 5,841,748 35 166,907
29 Michigan 10,079,985 56 180,000
30 Alabama 4,500,752 25 180,030
31 Colorado 4,550,688 25 182,028
32 Oklahoma 3,511,532 19 184,817
33 Virginia 7,386,330 38 194,377
34 Georgia 8,684,715 43 201,970
35 Vermont 619,107 3 206,369
36 North Carolina 8,407,248 40 210,181
37 Missouri 5,704,484 27 211,277
38 Louisiana 4,496,334 21 214,111
39 Rhode Island 1,076,164 5 215,233
40 Pennsylvania 12,365,455 57 216,938
41 California 35,484,453 139 255,284
42 Delaware 817,491 3 272,497
43 Illinois 12,653,544 45 281,190
44 Florida 17,019,068 59 288,459
45 Texas 22,118,509 69 320,558
46 Maryland 5,508,909 17 324,053
47 New York 19,190,115 52 369,041
48 Connecticut 3,483,372 9 387,041
49 Massachusetts 6,433,422 16 402,089
50 New Jersey 8,638,396 17 508,141
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