jetset7e7
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Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:36 am

I was working on the ramp at Manchester today, and operating the FlyBe flights today was 146-200 G-JEAS in Air France livery. I've always know they have had 146's in Air France colours, but have never known why? Anyone know why?

G-JEAS has never been on the French register, before it was in Air France colours, it was in the Jersey/British European colours.
It has flybe.com on the engines, and below the Air France title its says 'by British European FlyBe'


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They have two other aircraft in the Air France livery.
146-300's G-JEBA and G-JEBB

Anyone know the answer?

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Mark
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bananaboy
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:45 am

I know that they used to operate some services for Air France from Heathrow, painted in full Air France colours. Don't think they still do, and I can't remember which services. banghead 

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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:53 am

Like Bananaboy said, I think flybe used to operate some flights for Air France. I think they also had a codeshare agreement from BHX, but didn't that end recently?
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jetset7e7
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:59 am

So why not just remove the Air France livery, and repaint it? Even if its a white hybrid? It just seems weird, flying around in AF colours.

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Gofly
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:01 am

If they are going to remove the livery, they'll wait to the next heavy maintenance check.
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:03 am

Mark,

It costs money to paint aircraft and also time, so they are probably waiting for an appropriate date to do this. In the meantime I daresay they have an agreement with AF to allow them to fly around advertising AF on their a/c!

I know it looks weird when they come in here.

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jetset7e7
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:04 am

True. Thats kind of answered my question anyway cheers Gofly and BananaBoY and Skidmarks, just beat me to it with your post

Mark

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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:45 am

Actually, glad of your questions because I've been wondering myself for the past few months at frequently seeing Flybe's BA146's in AF livery here at Belfast City.
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:58 am

Hi,

There used to be a franchise deal with Air France on LHR-Toulouse and LHR-Lyons in 1996.

Following this the deal was extended to BHX-CDG and CHX-GLA which were both available for booking through Air France. (1997)

A little info at http://www1.flybe.com/history/ but nothing we don't already know.
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 pm

Quoting BananaBoY (reply 1):
I know that they used to operate some services for Air France from Heathrow, painted in full Air France colours. Don't think they still do, and I can't remember which services.

The bae 146's used to operate the LHR-LYS route 3 times a day.
I was lead to believe the slots had been sold to virgin, hence the service stopped, however the route is operating again. Air France/Brit Air CRJ's.
Also the last CDG flight of the day (AF2570/AF2571) to and from LHR is operated by an Air France bae 146.
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:03 pm

flyBe also used to do NCL-CDG using the Bae146s in AF c/s.
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:10 pm

Quoting Pogo (reply 9):
was lead to believe the slots had been sold to virgin, hence the service stopped, however the route is operating again.


I thought the slots went to Qantas, but I could be wrong - weren't they ones which a record price was paid for last year ?
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:39 am

flyBe still operate all of the BHX-CDG-BHX routes. The aircraft are standard flyBe inside, although the 2 that still operate the BHX routes have Air France headrests. Cabin crew wear normal flyBe uniform with flyBe/Air France badge. They also have French cabin crew on these flights.

Sometimes, due to aircaft schedueling etc the Af painted aircraft do BE flights and vice versa. Most passengers don't even know or care, although I have seen a passenger try and walk accross the ramp to the AF painted aircraft insisting she was flying Air France not flyBe!!

Anyway, as has been said flyBe stop the BHX-CDG route on March 31st. It will then be oeprated by CityJet on a similar basis.
 
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:14 am

Also the last CDG flight of the day (AF2570/AF2571) to and from LHR is operated by an Air France bae 146.

Yes, this flight is operated by CityJet. However it will cease on 26th March. CityJet will take over the AF franchise on BHX-CDG on 27th March. They are currently advertising for a Station Manager @ BHX if anyone is interested...
 
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:52 am

Quoting Cornish (reply 11):
I thought the slots went to Qantas, but I could be wrong - weren't they ones which a record price was paid for last year ?

It might have been Qantas & Virgin, I just can't remember. I think the figure was in excess of £20 million.
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:48 am

Pogo,

The 6 slots, (1 slot = 1 takeoff and 1 landing) available were sold to Virgin and to Qantas. Total price was somewhere in the region of £40million for all. Virgin got 4 slots and Qantas got 2 slots.

Since the exchange, Qantas have been using these slots to operate their subchartered Bae146 services LHRMAN in order to protect the slots. Virgin, in turn, have been doing the same by subletting the slots back to AF (for whom Flybe operated) so that BritAir can operated LHRLYS.

Once more aircraft are ordered and both Qantas and Virgin amend their operations it is likely that both the LHRMAN and LHRLYS services will be discontinued and both VS and Qantas will add more long-haul flights.

The slots were premium ones and hence their prices. 2 arrival slots at about 0800hrs at LHR with depts at 0900hrs + midday and peak late afternoon business slots for the others.

Hope this helps to clarify things a little
 
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting JobsaGoodun (reply 15):
Hope this helps to clarify things a little

I knew it was something like that, cheers.
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:25 am

Quoting Greenjet (reply 13):
CityJet will take over the AF franchise on BHX-CDG on 27th March


As a regular on BHX-CDG-BHX, its never been a particularly heart warming sight as the transfer bus turns onto the remote ramp at CDG to see one of Walker Aviation's old clunkers sat there waiting to take us back to BHX - the usual suspects, G-JEBA and G-JEBB, are former Thai machines which I remember festered at Nottingham East Midlands Airport for a long time many years ago. When I heard FlyBe were loosing the AF franchise, I had hoped that we'd get some half decent aircraft on the route. Sadly it seems that ShityJet are taking over with the same aircraft type. I just hope the Irish mob have their aircraft configured 2+3 (like, for example, SNBA) because a 146 in 3+3 is just dreadful whoever operates it.

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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:33 am

Andy/Skymonster,

I'm afraid you're unlucky....Cityjet will operate the route with 146-200's (similar age if not older than BE) with 99 seats. This will mean 3 abreast and a tighter C-Class fit.
 
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:31 pm

JobsaGoodun,

CityJet will also use 104 seat 146-300s on the route. The -200s have a capacity of 93 seats.
 
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RE: Why Do FlyBe Have 146's In AF Livery?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:52 am

Greenjet,

Will Cityjet also have the 99 pax restriction placed on them? Flybe were unable to carry more than 99 pax due to French labour laws requiring mainline AF to fly any services that carry over 100 seats.

Of course with Cityjet being an wholly owned AF subsidiary this may not apply.

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