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Boeing Deliveries Thread

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:02 am

Hi all

After discussing with 'ClickHappy' we thought it would be a good idea to start a 'Boeing deliveries' thread to try and keep track of their deliveries and stuff.

I thought this was an excellent time to launch it as there's a Malev B738 just about to leave BFI (ETD 1400 local) for Dublin as 'MAH5091'. I wonder if this is HA-LOU cn 30864 ?

Also noted is B738 'BOE403' which is doing a quick round-trip to/from Grant County (MWH) due back at 1423 local, probably a 'to be' for RYR on a test flight.

Nothing exciting going on at PAE at the moment, just B734 'ASA9002' due in at 1658 local from Seattle. I think ASA have a maint contract here so I guess that's what that probably is ?

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RE: Boeing Deliveries Thread

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:19 am

Nice! I like the idea! I propose and I think it would be great to keep deliveries of Boeing's all around the world including the second hand market!

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RE: Boeing Deliveries Thread

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:37 am

Well Ricardo,

Let's not forget the ex SWA B732 N87SW then either.

Ferried as 'N87SW' from storage Opa Locka to Oklahoma City then onto Oakland yesterday (2nd March), then Oakland - Honolulu - Majuro today (3rd), with an ETA for Majuro of 0400 local (4th).

Or would it be arriving there 0400 local on the 5th, as it's crossing the date line? If I'm not mistaken, Majuro sits on date line, does it not?

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RE: Boeing Deliveries Thread

Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:48 am

I am wondering if the MALEV is really a -800? I shot a -700 last week, and I don't remember seeing an -800 in their colors...
 
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:50 am

Just looked at FBOweb - finger trouble! It is indeed a -700, dunno why I wrote -800  Confused

Should be HA-LOS then, cn 29359.

Better go make some corrections.

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RE: Boeing Deliveries Thread

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting RobK:
Well Ricardo,

Let's not forget the ex SWA B732 N87SW then either.

Ferried as 'N87SW' from storage Opa Locka to Oklahoma City then onto Oakland yesterday (2nd March), then Oakland - Honolulu - Majuro today (3rd), with an ETA for Majuro of 0400 local (4th).

Or would it be arriving there 0400 local on the 5th, as it's crossing the date line? If I'm not mistaken, Majuro sits on date line, does it not?


Not doing well tonight..

It left HNL at 1329 HST for Majuro and is due to arrive there at 1632 local on 4th. They're 12hrs ahead of GMT so that now makes my calculations correct.

Thanks to Ivan in the HNL thread, it would seem like it's destined for Jatayu Air which is an Indonesian operator I think Big grin.

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Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:21 am

Anyone know where AS second -800 stands? I don't know the date for delivery. It will be N549AS.

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Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:49 am

What a great idea! I'll keep an eye on this thread to see what's coming toward HNL.
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:59 am

I spotted the second AS -800 about a week ago, I believe it is in the B-52 hangar @ BFI...aren't they putting some new fancy seats in this one?
 
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:42 am

Great idea for a thread, guys. I'm always tracking flights in & out of PAE, BFI & RNT. So exactly which flights are game? Delivery flights after acceptance from Boeing? Boeing test flights? Maintenance flights to BFI or PAE? All of these?

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Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:40 pm

Airfin,

Anything you want; let's see how it goes for now.

Just noticed another one on the tracker :

'RYR800F' left BFI at 2105 local on 3rd for Keflavik with an ETA of 1215 local today (4th). B738.

Any ideas on rego ?

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Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:48 pm

During the last days MX retired two Boeing 757-200s, N755MX and N764MX. There are sitting at MX hangars in Mexico City all white and soon both aircrafts will be returned to lessor or ferried to a dessert. Does anybody knows who's the owner of this two birds? ILFC?

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Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:50 pm

I'm in.

I shoot at BFI frequently, so I should be able to provide some data. I shot a Ryanair @ BFI Tuesday, but I can't get to the photos right now. Will fill in later if you still need it.

Currently at BFI undergoing test flights:
Royal Air Maroc 738 w/o winglets
Futura Internation 738 w/ winglets
Shanghai 73?
Sun Country 738 w/o winglets
Ryanair 738 w/o winglets
Southwest 737 w/ winglets

Plus a few more.

The last two are pretty much always there, if not 2 or even 3 airframes of each.  Smile
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RE: Boeing Deliveries Thread

Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:59 pm

Ah Bronko,

Just looked at your profile - you must be the guy that never puts the dates on the photos right Big grin  Sad ? Any chance you could sort that out?!! Big grin

Looking forward to the pics.

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Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:04 pm

Back to the ex SWA B732 again, 'N87SW'.

It's planned to depart at 2000 local today (4th) for WABB, which is Biak in Indonesia! Big grin

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Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:15 pm

Quoting RobK (reply 13):
Just looked at your profile - you must be the guy that never puts the dates on the photos right ? Any chance you could sort that out?!!


No, but if you email me I will be happy to provide the dates. Most BFI photogs do not put the dates, for various reasons that will go undescribed.  Smile
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Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:31 pm

Boeing deliveries thread? Sounds like a great idea!

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Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:54 am

Currently showing is 'BOE554' B752 leaving 0943 local to Grant County and due back again an hour later - thought the 757 production line had closed now, so I'm wondering what this could be ?

'BOE253' B737 due to go to PAE at 0940.

There's a 'ID blocked' 752 due in from Dallas at 1056.

Over at PAE just a B773 to do a local test flight as 'BOE621' leaving at 1000.

At Marana, B762 N774WD is currently en-route from Victorville due 1938UTC (sorry don't know how far behind GMT they are).

Plus of course not forgetting Biggles thread N862AT B767-200 Ferry Flight (by Biggles Mar 4 2005 in Civil Aviation) through Honolulu - thanks!

All times local for 4th March unless stated.

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Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:00 am

554 is one of the Shanghai birds.

The BLOCKED 752 is one of Paul Allen's 752's.
 
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Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting RobK (reply 17):
Currently showing is 'BOE554' B752 leaving 0943 local to Grant County and due back again an hour later - thought the 757 production line had closed now, so I'm wondering what this could be ?


There are actually two new Shanghai 757's at BFI right now. They were the last two to roll of the 757 line last year, but are not scheduled for delivery until later this month I believe. The fact that they are now flying them again makes me assume delivery is coming up.

One or more of us BFI photogs will definately get the last 757 leaving BFI.
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RE: Boeing Deliveries Thread

Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:52 am

Get yourselves over to PAE boys!!

'SIA777' B773 due to leave PAE 4th at 1530 local for Incheon (ICN) !!

:D

Rego ? 9V-SYJ cn 33374 ?

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RE: Boeing Deliveries Thread

Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:03 am

Not quite Boeing but maybe of interest :

MD90 N904RA currently enroute Marana to Tucson right now, 4th.

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Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:47 am

N862AT is parked in front of Century @ HNL. It's an all-white 762 leaving tonight for the mainland (KOPF).
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Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:15 pm

Very strange one - who can make any sense of this ?

Just clicked on LPAZ (Santa Maria in the Azores) to see if there was any delivery traffic and spotted this :

FLIGHTID:BOE1234
STATUS:FILED
FILED WITH:KONY - ODAPS New York
EQUIPMENT:H/B777
PROPOSED DEPARTURE TIME:1300Z
DEPARTING:LPAZ
DESTINATION:LPAZ
ROUTE OF FLIGHT:LPAZ./.2500N3800W./.2500N4000W./.2400N4200W./.2330N4300W./.
2300N4400W./.2300N4000W./.2300N3700W
ETA:1413
SPEED:M085
ALTITUDE:230

Any ideas? Weird.

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Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:38 pm

>>>Any ideas? Weird.

Since it's (1) originating and returning to the same airport, is (2) only getting up to FL230, and (3) has a total time of about 73 minutes in the air, I'm going to guess that it's a test hop after MX of some kind... Either that or a demo flight of some kind...

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Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:09 am

N773WD B762 is due to arrive Marana at 1039 local from Victorville, 5th.

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Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:43 am

A blocked ID B737 due to leave BFI at 0830 local, 6th, for RJCC which is Sapporo/Chitose in Japan.

Anyone any ideas what the ident is?  Confused

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Quoting RobK (reply 17):
At Marana, B762 N774WD is currently en-route from Victorville due 1938UTC (sorry don't know how far behind GMT they are).


Rob, VCV is 8 hours behind UTC/GMT/Zulu. MZJ is 7 based on location but AZ does not do Daylight Savings, so it changes half the year
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Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:51 am

'NWA9751' B744 left Victorville at 0707 local today 6th for New Tokyo (RJAA). Anyone know the rego ?

'FAO9951' B722 due into Victorville at 1744 local 6th from Oklahoma City, perhaps for storage? Rego anyone?

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Quoting RobK (reply 28):
'NWA9751' B744 left Victorville at 0707 local today 6th for New Tokyo (RJAA). Anyone know the rego ?


NWA 744 going from VCV? Given that all of their 744s are in service, would this actually be one of the UA birds actually going to NW after all the speculation? How could this pass under our noses?
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Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:12 pm

I guess it's safe to assume that 767 and 777 delivery flights to Asia use the polar route? Whereas 757 and 737 delivery flights go island hopping. The only 767 I can recall passing thru HNL was a Shanghai Air 763, but that was a few years ago.
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Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:21 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (reply 11):
During the last days MX retired two Boeing 757-200s, N755MX and N764MX. There are sitting at MX hangars in Mexico City all white and soon both aircrafts will be returned to lessor or ferried to a dessert. Does anybody knows who's the owner of this two birds? ILFC?


Ricardo,

N755MX is owned by General Electric Capital Business Asset Funding Cp and managed by ILFC

N764MX is owned and managed by ILFC

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Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:33 am

One for the 3/3/05 I missed was 'RYR800E' BFI to Keflavik B738. Actually departed 2112 local on 2nd March.

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Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:56 am

Couple of interesting movements :

'HAL9980' to depart PAE at 1200 local for Grant County.

Meanwhile, heading in the other direction and what must be a different aircraft :

'HAL9981' to depart Grant County as 1215 local for PAE. (Assuming Grant County is also GMT -8 like PAE?).

Anyone know the rego's of these? Didn't know that HAL had any 767's on order?

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Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:19 am

'JAL7901' due to depart PAE tonight at 1800 local for Tokyo, B763.

Rego anyone?

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Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:46 pm

So, does anyone know why NW was flying a 744 from VCV to NRT? Did they finally get a UA bird?
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Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 35):
So, does anyone know why NW was flying a 744 from VCV to NRT? Did they finally get a UA bird?


I don't know mate, sorry. I'm increasingly getting that feeling of talking to myself yet again....

I seem to be the only person on a.net that has details of the happenings at BFI and PAE or more to point, is willing to share them with others. Perhaps it's best if I don't bother.

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Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:58 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 36):
I seem to be the only person on a.net that has details of the happenings at BFI and PAE or more to point, is willing to share them with others. Perhaps it's best if I don't bother.


Nah, you just get them in a different way, making it more frequent. It is like with fish. Sometimes you set the bait and you get a bite, sometimes you just have a dead worm
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Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
Quoting RobK (Reply 36):
I seem to be the only person on a.net that has details of the happenings at BFI and PAE or more to point, is willing to share them with others. Perhaps it's best if I don't bother.


Nah, you just get them in a different way, making it more frequent. It is like with fish. Sometimes you set the bait and you get a bite, sometimes you just have a dead worm



Fresh worms required please Big grin

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Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:30 pm

RobK ... if it makes you feel any better, a lot of other threads have consecutive posts by the thread creator. Thanks for the heads-up that you provide us HNL Spotters. Maybe those HA 767-300s were there for heavy maintenance? I don't recall there being an order for more. Unless HA is holding back expansion news from the media and general public.
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Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:59 pm

RobK - Don't give up on this thread yet. Or, more importantly, don't stop providing us with all this great info. Remember, most of us here don't have access to the details you do (and where do you get your info, anyway???), and I'm sure I'm not the only one here who enjoys tracking these rare flights. I've been tracking BA test flights out of PAE, BFI, RNT and MWH for a couple of years now, but only on Flight Explorer or Flytecomm. Got hooked the first time I traveled up to Seattle. (Even saw the first flight of the 739.) Believe me, if I was in Seattle, I'd be over at PAE getting regs tonight. I would have called in sick to see BOE001 today, too.

Thanks again for the info, (seriously, is it off ACARS?)

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Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:13 pm

Here's another ferry flight :

VP-BSQ B737-500 s/n 26672 in United colours.
08 March flew KGYR-KTUS-CYOW.
Today (09 March ) CYOW-BIKF-EYVI ,ETD YOW 2000Z.

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Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:17 am

Actually I've got a request meself :

I need to know what aircraft was flying as BOE941 on 7 March at Renton please, it's a B738.

According to FBOweb it left Renton for Grant Cty then Boeing Field on 8 March.

Anyone know which aircraft this is please?

--

For anyone that's interested, a few BOE callsign tie-ups have come to light (due credit to Matt Cawby) :

BOE403 = ASA N549AS B738
BOE848 = 737 unpainted
BOE621 = UAE A6-EBA / LIRJ), Italy">EBA B773ER
BOE012 = FUA EC-JDU B738

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PS. Alan, thanks for that, very interesting!

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Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:58 am

Few more of note :

'SWA8500' B737 BFI-PHX due to leave BFI at 1000 local.

'UAL9943' B763 SFO-AMA, in flight, due to arrive at 1335 local.

'BOE201' B737 VCV-BFI, in flight, due to arrive at 1049 local.

Rego's anyone?

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Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:54 am

I have been curious about this for a long time now, and I'm hoping you guys can provide some insight:

How does Boeing assign flight numbers to their test flights? I had posted over in the Tech forum (I had the post deleted so I could post over here) and someone mentioned other manufacturers may base it on the particular pilot-in-charge. There seems to be no rhyme or reason on how they go about it. Now, BOE001 yesterday, I can understand that one - first flight. But could flights to or from particular airports be assigned certain numbers, say BFI-MWH is a 200-series, or PAE-BFI is a 100-series?

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Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:11 am

Years ago there used to be a fairly consistent pattern. The BOE trip number would usually be either the line number or the last 3 digits of the cn, or sometimes the number make-up of it's N-reg (especially if being ferried using a lessor N-reg) but that practice suddenly came to a halt.

There doesn't seem to be any consistent trip number allocation now.

I asked the same question of 'someone in the know' a while ago and his reply was :

Well, there doesnt seem to be much order, so to speak, in the flight numbers.

Usually single digit numbers are new carriers, for instance BOE07 was the Air India Express 738.

All Southwest test flights are in the 195-199 range, and they obviously reuse the numbers, such as BOE198.

Ryanair flights seem to use something in the middle 400's IE BOE448

The Wedgetail always goes up as BOE201

Catfish, the prototype 757 with all the silly bits on it always flys as BOE57A

If you see BOE9X that is the P38 chase plane, also used to photograph from time to time.


That's about as much as I know.

I would also be very interested in the real reasons behind the trip number allocations too.

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Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:19 am

In fact, I've just realised, the BOE201 I listed above en-route BFI from Victorville is the Aussie AF wedge-tail beast.


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Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:41 am

Cool. Thanks for the info RobK. Very interesting. It would be great if I could put a livery with a flight in person at BFI or PAE. I could maybe see a pattern of flight number assignments (and give you answers to some of your questions.) Unfortunately, this doesn't work through internet tracking - unless I had really big binoculars to see BFI from ORD! Anyone have live internet access to some spare spy satellites?

-Airfinair

PS -
Quoting RobK (Reply 45):
If you see BOE9X that is the P38 chase plane, also used to photograph from time to time.

- I did get to see the P38 at PAE chasing the first Asiana 777 on pre-delivery flight testing - pretty cool sights!
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Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:37 am

Can someone tell me who the customer of the B773 is that's currently flying around as 'BOE581' please ?

Currently en-route Grant County to Everett.

Also, was it N204WN that left BFI today 9th as 'SWA8500' or another one?

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Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:56 am

BOE581 is an Emirates 773ER.

Aircraft ID FUA001P
Aircraft Type B738
Owner/Operator Compania Hispano Irlandesa de Aviacion (Futura)

Flight Plan Received 2005-03-10 16:03:51 from Seattle
Departure KBFI BOEING FIELD/KING COUNTY INTL, SEATTLE WA
Destination CYYT ST. JOHN'S, NFLD, CANADA
Status Planned
Planned Alt 39000 Feet
Planned Speed 446 kts.
Planned Dep 2005-03-10 18:00
Actual Dep
Planned Arrival 2005-03-11 00:34
Route KBFI..YDC.J503.YNY.J508.YYC.J504.VLN.J500.VLR.J543.YHD.J576.YXZ.J596.YY
B.J513.YMX.J546.YQB.J555.YZV.RR2.YNA..DF..YDF.V382.YQX.V315.YYT..CYYT/0634
Tracking ID 49381058

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