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CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:30 am

well even the added EWR flight scheduled for this summer wont be around. Asof April 3, we are closing up shop in HOU......again.
 
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:35 am

It was a good idea in theory - but I guess Continental's loyal Houston-area passengers are attracted to the larger flight schedule and more options at IAH over the convience of HOU.



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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:56 am

Ironic, huh? WN pulls its last flights out of IAH, and CO pulls its last flights out of HOU!!
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting PanAm747 (reply 2):
Ironic, huh? WN pulls its last flights out of IAH, and CO pulls its last flights out of HOU!!


A "gentlemen's agreement" of some sort?
 
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:57 am

I was skeptical when CO began flights to EWR and CLE last year from HOU. A little voice told me that these flights would not pan out at this time. Too bad really, it was nice having a little diversity at HOU amongst all of those Canyon Blue and dwindling Mustard Rocket 737s. Oh well something tells me that CO will give HOU another shot a few years down the line.

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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:16 am

T-B,

I totally agree--kind of a CRIP--Blood truce. The both have bigger fish to fry, if they stay out of each other's hood. CO can go after UA and the like; while WN can go after US and others. Seems like a bad time to be AA.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:46 am

Bring back EFD - Ellington!!!!!! (or start Galveston even)

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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:55 am

Quoting Lt-AWACS (reply 6):
(or start Galveston even)


If EFD and HOU ended up not working, there's no way this is gonna happen. Well, unless Tillman Fertitta manages to get casino gambling going on the Island.
 
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:06 pm

Well many of the EFD flights I took were packed. Now I know they were "free", but I am curious as to if they "worked" for CO or not.

I could see Tillman refurbing most of Galveston Island at the rate things are going, so I think a return of service could happen. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part (much like FTW service), as I am certainly a big believer in "if it will make money the airlines will have done it" so maybe it just isn't to be...

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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:21 pm

Quoting Lt-AWACS (reply 8):
Well many of the EFD flights I took were packed. Now I know they were "free"


Not only were they "free," but they also earned 500 miles and an extra segment. If you're going to the southeast side anyway and you're a mileage hoe, flying to EFD wasn't a bad option. But it certainly didn't save any time unless the freeways were parking lots. And it wasn't a cheap service to provide -- you have to figure that the cost of the flight to CO had to be above $20 per passenger. Wasn't parking at EFD free as well?

I think the big problem with service at GLS is that it has to rely almost solely on the population of the Island (and visitors to it) to be viable. Anyone on the Mainland is as close in driving time to HOU as they are to GLS. The passenger terminal at Scholes would have to be refurbished and there would be the expense of bringing the security equipment up to date, providing TSA staff, etc. And even then, Islanders have pretty much gotten used to driving to Houston for shopping, dining, air travel, entertainment, etc. HOU is only 40 miles from the Causeway at 60-65 mph most of the way.
 
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:34 pm

I talk to a few buddies in Clear Lake and NASA engineer type people that are PISSED that EFD went away.

If the economics are there, it would be nice to have the EFD shuttle running again.

I didn't think the HOU flts would hold, but also didn't think it would be this soon to bail on them.
 
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:56 pm

I loved the HOU service....I live downtown and it was real convenient to fly down there from EWR......first class was open for me usually when I flew it. And they were adding that sencond flight as well.
 
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:48 pm

If i'm correct, they were flying EFD with an RJ or two correct? The economics of that are awful. Maybe they could contract out with Colgan to bring a few of their B1900's out to try it again....... Maybe a mini "air-shuttle from IAH to EFD, HOU, and Galveston.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:17 pm

Could HOU getting ready to under the 2nd phase of the Terminal Redevolopment program be the reason why CO axed HOU. Gates are hard to come by unless ya WN.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting BigB (reply 13):
Could HOU getting ready to under the 2nd phase of the Terminal Redevolopment program be the reason why CO axed HOU. Gates are hard to come by unless ya WN.


That very well could be it. How is construction on that phase coming? I hadn't flown from HOU in a while.

Quoting Ejmmsu (reply 12):
If i'm correct, they were flying EFD with an RJ or two correct

They actually flew more than 2--I believe that on peak days it was like 4 or 5 a day. Every time I flew the flights they were at least 80% full. Excellent service--bonus miles, free parking, ease of connection at IAH, and no long security lines.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:53 pm

I talk to a few buddies in Clear Lake and NASA engineer type people that are PISSED that EFD went away.

This is all hearsay, but I heard from someone at work that EFD went away because they were planning some runway refurbishment, and wanted to foot CO with most of the bill. Again, don't know if that's true, but that was the scuttlebut I heard from more than one person.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:09 pm

It wasn't exactly runway improvements but terminal improvements that CO would end up footing the bill for.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:12 pm

That's it, thanks for jogging my memory Drex. I think I just remembered it incorrectly.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Sat Mar 05, 2005 6:09 am

I have often questioned the viability of a GLS-DFW route; certainly a Saab with 34 seats would do the trick. The problem with flying from HOU is that the airport does not offer many of the non-stop flights offered by IAH and DFW. Thus the argument for an American Eagle feeder service to DFW. Still, it is debatable if the economics are there to support the service.
 
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:50 pm

When I was still living in Houston (SW side), I was equidistant from either IAH or EFD via the Sam Houston Intercity Tollway (yeah, read the acronym Big grin), and when I would compare flight prices to any given location from either IAH or EFD, the cost was the same. So, being the mileage ho that I am, and since EFD did actually have free parking, I would plan for the extra hour of flight time to get the extra thousand miles. In fact, one year, I was going to wind up about 2300 miles short of gold (before platinum happened), as was my dad, so we did a day trip EFD-AUS-DFW-EFD. Of course all those flights route via IAH, so a quick 3000 miles into our onepass accounts, and up to Gold status.  Smile

Now that I live out here in West Texas, I have to drive 120 miles just to reach an airport with commercial air service (MAF). Yet, my nearest airport (FST) has a 7507x100 runway and could easily handle EMB120s or EMB135s. Wonder if we can get COEX or COConn to drop a flight into here.  Wink
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:49 pm

That very well could be it. How is construction on that phase coming? I hadn't flown from HOU in a while.

I don't work at HOU anymore, but from the last time I visit there, Concourse B was in the process of being tour down and the apron level between Concourse A and B is being raised to to make the Apron even with the one under the Central Concourse. Once they finish this, Gates 20,22,26 will open up to allow WN to move the rest of their ops from Concourse A to the Central Concourse.

The 2nd phrase is to tear down Concourse A and rebuild is and widen the Terminal up on the Side where WN ticket counters use to be located.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:28 pm

Are we sure the flights to EWR are being axed? They show the flight operating into the summer with 73G equipment.
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RE: CO Axing HOU

Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:14 am

we are closing all together....theyare offering jobs elsewhere for other employees

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