nycflyer
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AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:45 am

Hey there - this is perhaps a stupid question, but I've never understood the difference between American Eagle and American Connection. They're both contract carriers flying RJs, so why are they marketed differently?

For that matter, what about DL Connection vs. DL Express? AA and DL stand in contrast to NW, CO, US, and UA, who market all their regional affiliates under a single name (NW Airlink, CO Express, etc.) Any thoughts would be appreciated.

A second, slightly different question: I've seen one or two US A319s (at DCA, I think, might have been LGA) that say "US Airways Express" on them. Since when do express carriers fly mainline jets? In US's case, what route(s)?

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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:52 am

American Eagle is a part of AMR Corp.. American Connection are made up of regional airlines not owned by AMR Corp.

DL express does not exist anymore, but was also mainline Delta jets.. DL connection is made up of regional airlines (both owned and not owned).

The US aircraft you saw was probably the E.70, which looks like a mainline jet. On the windtip, did you see a pointed arrow-looking extension, or a upward-curved extension. It it was the pointed arrow-looking (<), it was a 319.. if it was an upward-curved (_/), it was a E70...
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:55 am

American Connection flights are based out of STL - they are the old TWExpress flights. While TWA is gone, their commuter subsidiary is still around.

I believe I read somewhere (here, probably!!) that there are different contracts and unions representing the two companies, which is why they maintain separate identities.
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:55 am

Also you will find the vast majority of American Connection flights are from St Louis, owned by Trans States Air, or Chataqua (sp) etc, etc,

So if you see an American Connection plane, more than likely it is headed to St Louis  Smile
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 0):
I've never understood the difference between American Eagle and American Connection.


American Eagle is an entity owned by AMR Corp. - so technically it's directly controlled by AA, in a way. AmericanConnection is the banner that was created for the former Trans World Express carriers (Trans States and Chautauqua) after AA acquired TWA'a assets a few years ago.

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 0):
They're both contract carriers flying RJs, so why are they marketed differently?


AA Eagle is technically not a contract carrier. The AmericanConnection carriers are.

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 0):
For that matter, what about DL Connection vs. DL Express?


DL Connection is Delta's regional feeder flying regional aircraft (comprised of Comair, Atlantic Southeast, SkyWest, Chautauqua). Delta Express was Delta's now-defunct low-fare carrier flying 737-200's, mainly between the Northeast and Florida.

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 0):
AA and DL stand in contrast to NW, CO, US, and UA, who market all their regional affiliates under a single name (NW Airlink, CO Express, etc.)


Technically, CO also has CO Connection - non-wholly owned contract carriers flying turboprops from IAH, CLE, and ALB.

Quoting NYCFlyer (reply 0):
A second, slightly different question: I've seen one or two US A319s (at DCA, I think, might have been LGA) that say "US Airways Express" on them. Since when do express carriers fly mainline jets?


Those aren't A319's - they're Embraer 170's.

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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:02 am

American Connection is operated in STL by Smyna, TN based Corporate Airlines. They fly fromm BNA to TRI and ATL as well as AA Connection with Bae 31's -yucky.

They used to also operate as Midway's cummuter in RDU.

They recently had a crash in Missouri that killed 13 people unfortunately.

The old TWA commuter was Trans States based in STL. They operate J31s, J41s ATR42 and 72 and ERJ 135/145
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:13 am

Maybe I misunderstood your answer, but Corperate Airlines is not the only American Connection carrier. Chataqua and Trans States are also AmCon. carriers. In fact, I think Corperate only operates the Jetstream flights to Kirksville, Columbia, etc.
 
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:19 am

I was pointing out that there were several American Connection carriers, but only 1 American Eagle. I mentioned Trans States, Chatauqua is down to 6 AA liveried planes and they are actually leased from American Eagle.
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:45 am

So is Chatauqua flying non AA planes, or is Chataqua only using 6 planes for their AA contracted flights. 6 planes doesn't seem like a lot.
 
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting N670UW (reply 4):

Technically, CO also has CO Connection - non-wholly owned contract carriers flying turboprops from IAH, CLE, and ALB.


There are two more Continental Connection carries: Gulfstream International, with their main base of operations at FLL and MIA, flies intra-Florida and Bahamas service. And Cape Air flies point-to-point routes in Florida and some regional routes from Guam as Continental Connection. They also fly some regional Caribbean routes with CO codeshares, but not as CO Conneciton.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (reply 7):
but only 1 American Eagle.


Actually, there are two. American Eagle (MQ) and Executive Airlines (OW). American Eagle's MIA and SJU bases, and the ATR fleet, are operated by OW, the rest of the bases are operated by MQ. They are both wholly-owned by AMR Corp., although OW almost spun off from them a few years ago, in which case they would have become an American Connection airline.
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:15 am

Quoting N670UW (reply 4):
Technically, CO also has CO Connection - non-wholly owned contract carriers flying turboprops from IAH, CLE, and ALB.



CO also has Gulfstream Internaitonal, Colgan Air and Cape Air all operating under the Continental Connection banner in Florida and IAH.

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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:42 am

You're right. I forgot about the Gulfstream Int'l and Cape Air in Florida.  Smile



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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:30 pm

Corporate flies 32 J-32...and 6 are in AA colors I believe.

American Connection is....
Chautauqa, Trans States, Corporate.

All Trans States flights out of STL are under American Connection while out of ORD are for United xpress. I think....



however corporate airlines has now changed the name to Regions Air

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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:21 am

Corporate Airlines no longer exists, per say, they changed their name following the crash to Regions Air
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:33 pm

In a very basic nutshell,

American Eagle MQ and AA are both wholly-owned subsidiaries of AMR Corporation, thus they are in effect the same company (loosely speaking). American Connection is AMR's partnership with separate, independent regional airlines.

CO also has Continental Connection in addition to Continental Express (ExpressJet). All RJ service is provided by ExpressJet, while prop flights are served by contract carriers (CO Connection).
 
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:54 pm

Chatauqua only has 6 planes operating as "American Connection" they alos operate as UA Express, Delta Connection, and US Airways Express. They are like Mesa serve many different carriers.
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:18 am

CHQ only has 6 planes operating for AA Connection?
Last time I checked, we had 14 a/c's for them. And we are nothing like Mesa since everyone is able to spell Mesa but only the few, the proud, know how to properly spell the company name:
CHAUTAUQUA.
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:43 am

Perhaps just a little off-topic, but just so everyone is up-to-date, it helps to just have one big list of everybody:

AmericanConnection:
Trans States Airlines
Chautauqua Airlines
Regions Air (fmr Corporate Airlines)

Continental Express:
ExpressJet

Continental Connection:
Cape Air
Colgan Air
CommutAir
Gulfstream International
SkyWest Airlines

Delta Connection:
Comair
SkyWest Airlines
ASA/Atlantic Southeast
Chautauqua Airlines
(and from what I have read, the potential deal with Skyway and the FRJ's is not dead yet, however stalled it may be).

United Express:
Air Wisconsin
Mesa Airlines
SkyWest Airlines
Chautauqua/Republic
Shuttle America
(would you believe that UA does not list their regional partners on their website? if you search you can find an old page with just ZW, Mesa, and OO listed)

US Airways Express:
Mesa/Air Midwest
Colgan Air
Chautauqua Airlines
MidAtlantic Airways
Piedmont Airlines
PSA
Trans States Airlines

Northwest Airlink:
Mesaba Airlines
Pinnacle Airlilnes
Pacific Island Aviation (yes, there is a third)

And of course, the one-operator regionals that someone might whine if they're not listed:

Frontier JetExpress by Mesa
America West Express by Mesa
Midwest Connect by Skyway Airlines
Horizon Air

I think that's all...but now people can keep track of whose flying for whom
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:04 am

Quoting JBo (reply 17):
US Airways Express:
Mesa/Air Midwest
Colgan Air
Chautauqua Airlines
MidAtlantic Airways
Piedmont Airlines
PSA
Trans States Airlines



MidAtlantic, Piedmont and PSA are all owned by US Airways

Quoting JBo (reply 17):
Frontier JetExpress by Mesa


Frontier dropped Mesa due to low quality and bad reputation. They are now contracting Horizon to do JetConnect. The vast majority of Horizon's opertations are in partnership with Alaska, and Horizon is wholy owned by Alaska Air Group.

Continental holds the controling interest in ExpressJet/COex. They almost spun them off but decided not to. OO is also not going to be a COConnection carrier anymore, with Colgan taking over their IAH turbo-prop operation.

Skyway is controlled by Midwest Airlines.
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:18 am

When do the 14 CHQ EMB-140s go back to Eagle--as they are on lease?
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting JBo (reply 17):
Pacific Island Aviation (yes, there is a third)


Jbo, There was a third. Just recently Pacific Island is no longer an Airlink carrier.
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting N1120A (reply 18):
Frontier dropped Mesa due to low quality and bad reputation. They are now contracting Horizon to do JetConnect. The vast majority of Horizon's opertations are in partnership with Alaska, and Horizon is wholy owned by Alaska Air Group.


D'OH! And I knew that, too!! This is what I get for making a post just after waking up....

Quoting N1120A (reply 18):
Continental holds the controling interest in ExpressJet/COex. They almost spun them off but decided not to. OO is also not going to be a COConnection carrier anymore, with Colgan taking over their IAH turbo-prop operation.


True facts, thanks for the supporting info.

Quoting N1120A (reply 18):
Skyway is controlled by Midwest Airlines.


I'm well aware of this (I work for Skyway)  Smile but I also listed the other subsidiary carriers as well.

I suppose if I were more alert, I'd have put a remark as to which operators were owned subsidiaries. (Skyway, Comair, ASA, etc.)



Quoting Nwcoflyer (reply 20):
Jbo, There was a third. Just recently Pacific Island is no longer an Airlink carrier.


Ah! That I did not know, when did that happen? I didn't find any announcements on NW's website about it.

But for fun here's an old NW news release talking about PIA joining the Airlink program:
http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/1998/pa050198e.shtml
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RE: AA Eagle Vs. AA Connection?

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:58 am

I would never inply that Chautauqa was the same TYPE of company as Mesa, just that they are more than just a carrier for one or two Legacies


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