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5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:56 am

I seem to recall reading an article shortly after September 11th that several Middle Eastern men were waiting to board a United airlines jet at JFK, headed for SFO or LAX on September 11th. The flight was slightly delayed, and by the time it was ready for boarding, the first plane had crashed into the WTC and airports were being shut down. These men got into an argument with the gate agent, and by the time Port Authority police had arrived, the men had vanished. Newspapers at the time seemed to hint that it might have been a 5th plane that was supposed to be hijacked. Since then though, I've never heard this story again.

I tried (unsuccesfuly) to find any information about this article. Does anybody recall this, or have any more information?
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:58 am

That's not exactly what I heard but it's close. I heard there was a UA 767 for LAX off the gate, took a MX, headed back to the gate, the guys jumped off the aircraft and fled. I don't remember seeing anything about it in the 9/11 report but I didn't read the whole thing. Rumor was that was the aircraft for the White House and that the UA 757 was heading for the capital.
 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:59 am

No, didn't hear about it. But I did hear about the same in the UK, a group of people trying to board a plane at LHR with the intention of crashing it into Big Ben. It was reported by some pretty reputable papers (Sunday Times in the UK among others).

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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:01 am

I believe this is the flight involved...

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117425/posts

Great job, Ed!  thumbsup 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:10 am

I also remember hearing about an Air Canada plane on which box cuters were found under the seats soon after september 11.
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting OPNLguy (reply 3):
I believe this is the flight involved...

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117425/posts

Great job, Ed! thumbsup


Wow, great story. If only the guy could get the message he really wanted to get out. That is too bad, but from the sounds of it, I think he saved another possible attack.
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:24 am

""Perhaps, but Kirk is adamant that Ballinger did save the passengers and crew of United Flight 23, which on Sept. 11 was about to depart from Newark, N.J., to Los Angeles. Kirk believes Flight 23 was going to be commandeered. Thanks to Ballinger's quick call, the flight crew told passengers it had a mechanical problem and immediately returned to the gate.

Later, Ballinger was told six men initially wouldn't get off the plane. Later, when they did, they disappeared into the crowd, never to return. Later, authorities checked their luggage and found copies of the Qu'ran and al-Qaida instruction sheets."

Sorry, it was EWR UA23. That seems to be the truth. God Bless Mr. Ballinger who had the smarts to ground his aircraft before anyone knew.
 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting Westjet_8 (reply 4):
I also remember hearing about an Air Canada plane on which box cuters were found under the seats soon after september 11.


A CBC story was published regarding these reports.
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:30 am

There have been dozens of such stories on 9/11 and afterwards. I don't think that only one story is true. When such a tragical event happens everyone gets very sensible for such stories. And the media is getting crazy. But this hasn't happened on 9/11 only, it happens every day everywhere in the world.

Between, I heard about a LH A-340 on the way to the US being hijacked....

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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:37 am

And people complain about delays...

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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:39 am

There was also a story about an AA 777 leaving JFK for LHR that morning that had some Middle Eastern types leave the aircraft as soon as the news was announced, and of several DL jets at JFK that had box cutters found in seats. I remember the AC story, too. I believe it was an A320 at YYZ.
 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:49 am

And another rumor was several flights from Houston supposedly had men on it to crash into the Williams Tower (former Transco tower), the Shell Building and Enron. I don't think we will truly know what their fullest extent was.
 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:21 am

We may never know and the speculations seem kind of wild. I was living in Texas at the time, so it was a little scary being in the country "under attack". Before Sept 11th Texas felt like home. Then I realized I wanted to be with my loved ones.

I come from english/irish background parents, but I still felt out of place even being Canadian in the US that day. Maybe some of these people of middle-eastern decent left the flights had the idea that people may suspect them and took actions that they felt were necessary. Although, how would they have known who was behind everything while it was unfolding?

Finally, all the aircraft used that day had a common-flight decks, 767 and 757. I suspect the flight in the Ed the dispatcher article had more truth to it than some of the others with different aircraft.

All of this I've written is of course opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:28 am

I remember a few months afterward hearing of a DL 767 BOS-LAX that was suspected as well. Same aircraft and routing as AA11 and UA175. Once they knew AA and UA had been hijacked, BOS focused on that flight, which ended up diverting safely. Still, you really can't be sure. There could've been 100 attempts that day.
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:33 am

There were similar reports of suspicious men on flights grounded at JFK, BOS, LHR, SYD and others. Not only are the innocent passengers of those flights lucky, but the occupants of the likely targets: the Empire State Building, the Citicorp Building, British Parliament, etc. The guys who were en route to their 72 virgins are likely still around waiting to kill us another day.  bomb 
 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:19 am

But then again, days after 9/11, the news started to report that the FBi was arresting a number of individuals that may have had involvement with the 9/11 attacks. For a while there it seemed like it was on going for quite a few weeks after the attacks. There were so many things said that day, such as an original number of 10 hijacked airplanes including a 747. All of this I remember hearing as the day progressed, but nothing came of it. I guess there will never be a real answer as to what their entire objective was.
 
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:59 am

One problem may have been the confusion after the declaration of the shutdown of all USA airspace. Aircraft that hadn't taken off yet or just landed by the time of the shutdown, discharged their passangers in a hurry, and not in an organized way to double check people comming off as being possible terrorists. People whom were or looked like 'middle eastern young males' were in some cases checked out, but in the crazyness of the day, there wasn't the reviews done as should have been done. There was an inconclusive investigation of several 'middle eastern men' the took a train from the NYC area to Texas and suspected as part of a terror plot.
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:09 am

Well (and I know this has been discussed to death), I remember reading on Sep 11 that the Pennsylvania crash had a second debris field several miles away. The thought that went through my mind then was "ah, well that should give us a more forensic clue about what happened" (I'm not sure whether at that point it was known who was behind the attacks). I forgot about it, and only months later I realised that NOTHING had been said about it.

So, I agree with many above that the full truth may never be known.
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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:23 am

Quoting MQrampBOS (reply 13):
I remember a few months afterward hearing of a DL 767 BOS-LAX that was suspected as well. Same aircraft and routing as AA11 and UA175. Once they knew AA and UA had been hijacked, BOS focused on that flight, which ended up diverting safely. Still, you really can't be sure. There could've been 100 attempts that day.


This was the flight that caused the most confusion everybody thought this was hijacked and that I think it was flight 93 was really doing ok sadly we now know that was not true.

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RE: 5th Plane On 9/11 United At JFK?

Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:58 am

I wonder how many of UA23 passengers complained about the plane turning back to the gates and later were thankful that ED forced their plane to turn back
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