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Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:39 am

IA set to bid for UK landing
New Delhi, March 7: State-run Indian Airlines has decided to apply for the rights to fly five times a week to Gatwick.
The airline has agreed to hire wide-bodied aircraft after civil aviation minister Praful Patel indicated that the absence of such planes is holding up the airline’s plan to fly to Europe.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050308/asp/business/story_4466434.asp
now hunt begins for any remaining widebodies..
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:42 am

Anyone got any ideas on this?

I would speculate that easily available 767s could be the ideal starter for a LGW service.
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:11 pm

IC just put out a tender for the lease of 12 widebody aircraft.

The airline is looking or either A310,A330,A340,B763, or B777's aircraft on 5 years lease terms with deliveries starting July 2005.

Certainly some aggressive actions by IC.

Tough I would say its almost certain the airline will come up with a mixed fleet as finding 12 of any single type (without even considering engine mixes) will be a near impossible task with such short notice.
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:26 pm

WOW!!  Wow! Four Indian airlines into LON. This sector's really hotting up. Time to make a trip  airplane 

Air-India
Jet Airways
Air Sahara
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:30 pm

Thats good news for the UK economy and Gatwick! Lets get some more T7 action at LGW!

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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:59 pm

Quoting Atco2b (reply 4):
Lets get some more T7 action at LGW


Or maybe we will see [a very rare sight] an A310 operated bt IC
 
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:28 pm

Whats the Aircraft for S2 to fly International.
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:46 pm

Just mad, how two state-run careers compete on India-LON

Although it would be an idea to convert IC to a LCC - just stop food serving, and the service anyways comes close to LCC, so does notr really to be modified Big grin

Quoting Laxintl (reply 2):
The airline is looking or either A310,A330,A340,B763, or B777's aircraft on 5 years lease terms with deliveries starting July 2005.


They should lease AI's outdated 310  Wink - no, hopefully, they get the 330, which could be used for the Gulf, too (and after merged with AI would be a good complement for the fleet)

Quoting Atco2b (reply 4):
Thats good news for the UK economy and Gatwick! Lets get some more T7 action at LGW!


I can only repeat, what I posted in another thread> IC and the 777 hahaha!
Maybe they get the same so-called'rustbuckets' from UA. Since there are hardly any 777 available, and the 340 tb snatched by 9W, I wonder whether this all is wishthinking
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:15 am

I feel it is a waste to give 5 frequencies to IC. Jet and Sahara should be allowed to each have reasonable frequencies to the UK so they can compete with the UK airlines and AI. There just does not seem to be a point in the Indian government having two international airlines, and something tells me IC will fly either from BOM or DEL. If they at least used the frequencies to develop a hub in a new gateway like MAA or CCU to connect pax to local and international flights, then maybe it would be worth it. Maybe LGW to CCU to connect to DAC or Sylet for the Bangladeshis that live near LGW on the east side of London (when I lived in London, my general impression was that Indians tended to live on the West End while Bangladeshis were on the East - but could be wrong).
 
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Shawnnyc (reply 8):
. Jet and Sahara should be allowed to each have reasonable frequencies to the UK so they can compete with the UK airlines and AI.


I think giving 9W a daily flight to LHR is reasonable, but S2 is only getting 2X per week to LGW. Giving them the 5X for IC would give them better footing, that way they would have a daily
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:19 am

Quoting Atco2b (Reply 4):
Thats good news for the UK economy and Gatwick! Lets get some more T7 action at LGW!


Aye, I can just imagine street parties being carried out north of London as the UK-India aviation market just heaps more capacity on London-India route to the detriment of the UK economy.

If IC is targetting the "cheaper" end of the market, then they should consider going to BHX/MAN/GLA and attempt to get some of the traffic that EK is picking up (especially at BHX when you consider all the airlines offering through routes to India via their home airports).

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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:29 am

Great news for LGW! Hope they select 340's, we're scarse of them, although this is unlikely. I can see B767's being chosen, they are the most likely choice I would think,

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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:33 am

I know that the India-UK market is huge, and that it is growing, but who the hell is going to pack all these planes? Unless these airlines are targeting connecting traffic to SE Asia and Australia, I suspect that the India-UK market can't really sustain all this suddenly added capacity.
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:47 am

Anyone got any info on Tara Airlines and there proposed service thet are going to offer to India from Luton.

They are supposed to be operating A330's and in the process of attracting investors to invest in the new venture.

http://www.taraairlines.net/
 
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12):
I know that the India-UK market is huge, and that it is growing, but who the hell is going to pack all these planes?


Even with the increased frequencies to 40x weekly per side for Winter 2005, the total non-stop capacity in the market will still be lower than the O&D traffic in the market.

The goal of the aviation authorities is for 80% of the O&D traffic in the market to be carried as 3rd and 4th freedom traffic. Until the increase in frequencies this past winter, that number had dropped below 30%.

I was talking to a friend at the CAA about this a few weeks ago and his words were that "the market has essentially infinite demand". Increased competition will cause reduced fares which in turn will stimulate additional demand. We have already seen the beginning of this with Air India's gutsy move launching the Rs.19990 London roundtrip.
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:14 pm

Infinite demand - fine. But from LGW???

Not too many indians down in the sunny south or are there ???

BHX would have been a better choice or even MAN! That is what me thinks!
 
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:43 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12):
I know that the India-UK market is huge, and that it is growing, but who the hell is going to pack all these planes? Unless these airlines are targeting connecting traffic to SE Asia and Australia, I suspect that the India-UK market can't really sustain all this suddenly added capacity.


This is just the point.. AI has missed any strategy in regard to 6th pax traffic.. I doubt IC will not be able to include it, keeping inmind their mini network.. them going against AI is foolish in every sense.. man, something needs to happen in this question.

9W and S2 will hopefully do it better with their strategy
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aseem
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:50 pm

If IC has some sense, then it'd tie up with CO or UA for onward journey to US and with TS to Canada. They all service LGW.
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:57 pm

Ah! Aseem - that is an interesting point! And something IC knows a lot about - the subject of interlining!

For eg, their TRV - MLE (maldives) flight have carried interline pax on Balkan Bulgarian, ZAS of Egypt and many other exotic and long forgotten airlines who all had fifth freedom rights from MLE to points in the middle east at one time or the other!
 
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:58 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 17):
If IC has some sense, then it'd tie up with CO or UA for onward journey to US and with TS to Canada. They all service LGW.


If the GOI had some sense, they would cease these crazy independent planningof two of their airlines and merge them
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 19):
If the GOI had some sense, they would cease these crazy independent planning two of their airlines and merge them


I totally agree!

They don't even market flights together, or code share on each others routes. I just don't understand what the point of the two airlines being independent and somewhat non-cooperative is but I'm sure the civil aviation ministry has some cockomamie explanation.
 
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:44 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 10):
as the UK-India aviation market just heaps more capacity on London-India route to the detriment of the UK economy.


In what way is this to the detriment of the UK economy?
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:50 pm

what is happening is that GOI opens route for AI and then allots the same to 9W and S2. They all end up competing with each other.
Why don't they ask AI to spell out its definite plans for no more than next 2 yrs and allot the remaining to 9W and S2. That way we will have Indian carriers flying to more destinations, rather than carriers of those countries milking the route. We will soon see flights to SYD/MXP/AMS/GRU/YVR/ICN etc
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:55 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 22):
Why don't they ask AI to spell out its definite plans for no more than next 2 yrs and allot the remaining to 9W and S2.


I think this is very unfair towards the private competitors. Ai cannot make a comprehensive 2 yr plan since they do not know about their destiny for new a/c (it seems the AI board is meeting latest next week and will short-list, while the process could be through middle of the year - but never, never rely on this). if the GOI is unable to use the bilaterals, why should more effective institutions like 9W and S2 suffer? Better give them than foreinn competitors the business in restricting the bilaterals.
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:29 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
but S2 is only getting 2X per week to LGW. Giving them the 5X for IC would give them better footing, that way they would have a daily


The GOI have allocated the international rights[2x as opposed to 5x] in line with the number of domestic services operated by the respective carrier-----however in that case it should mean that IC should have been given more services as compared to 9W keeping in mind that their domestic network is much more covered
 
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RE: Indian Airlines To Fly To Gatwick

Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:24 am

When are the Aircraft arriving  Smile
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