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Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:41 am

Hi all,

I am suppose to fly Northwest from DSM - DTW - ELM on Friday. The first leg is an Avro RJ85 (my first trip in one of these). I have checked the DSM - DTW segment a couple of times and noticed that the RJ85s usually park at one end of the A concourse (like A51). I was wondering if this was generally the case and I could expect this? I have only been through the Worldport once, and I had to stay out in the B/C gates. Also, are you able to view any of the tarmac from the train in the A concourse? If not, any recommendations on a good viewing spot?

My second group of questions is about MSP. On the way back, I am flying ELM - DTW - MSP - DSM. Because I am normally a UA flier, I have not been in MSP for a little over 6 years now. I have 1.5 hours or so, and I was wondering if there are any recommendations for where to go and what interesting things are in the airport now. Do they still have the terminal model layout with the little toy airplanes? Do they still have the Cheers bar there? Also, do they have specific gates that they usually operate the RJ-85s from in MSP (my last segment is also an RJ-85)?

Any tips and recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:03 am

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Thread starter):
My second group of questions is about MSP. On the way back, I am flying ELM - DTW - MSP - DSM. Because I am normally a UA flier, I have not been in MSP for a little over 6 years now. I have 1.5 hours or so, and I was wondering if there are any recommendations for where to go and what interesting things are in the airport now. Do they still have the terminal model layout with the little toy airplanes? Do they still have the Cheers bar there? Also, do they have specific gates that they usually operate the RJ-85s from in MSP (my last segment is also an RJ-85)?


Be sure to go to the observation deck in Councourse D. It is nice up there, usually not to crowded. Yes the terminal model is still there the last time I checked. There are plenty of good places to eat. I'd give you more info, but I've got to go. E-mail me if you have any more questions about MSP.
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:05 am

NWCOFlyer,

Thanks. I completely forgot about the observation deck in Concourse D! I will definitely have to go there! When I was younger, I left for DSM most of the time from those gates in the old green concourse (60-68 I think?) and I used to love going up there. THanks.
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting NWCOflyer (Reply 1):
It is nice up there, usually not to crowded. Yes the terminal model is still there the last time I checked



Dang, ive been there many times and never knew about any model, where is it located?
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:23 am

The Avro's in DTW use the B gates quite often.

Do they still have the terminal model layout with the little toy airplanes?

No. Don't think I've ever seen that.

Do they still have the Cheers bar there?

Nope... Friday's, 2 Chili's, and few others I can't remember the names of.

do they have specific gates that they usually operate the RJ-85s from in MSP

The Avro's in MSP use the C gates and sometimes the B gates.

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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:53 am

Can somebody explain how to get to the observation deck in terminal D at MSP? I go through the airport several times per week and I've seen pictures taken from that deck but I don't know how to get up there either.

The real problem is I'm either running to a flight that's about to leave or I get back from one late at night and I just don't think about the observation deck. On a nice day I'd like to go there in the afternoon though.

Nick
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
Dang, ive been there many times and never knew about any model, where is it located?


It's up on the second (skyway) level reachable from the stairs by ticketing/check-in from the terminal or level 3 (I think) from the hourly parking ramps adjacent to the terminal entrance.


Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 5):
Can somebody explain how to get to the observation deck in terminal D at MSP?


It is a bit hidden, but once you know what to look for, you'll easily find it. From the Northstar Crossing--the main shopping area of the Lindbergh Terminal--upon clearing the security area, go right towards Concourse D. You will pass the hub tram station to your right (and the Concourse C walkway), but keep going straight into D. Keep an eye on your left past an old NW Worldclub, a few bathrooms, vending machines, and finally some phone booths. There is an out-of-the-way stairwell with the "Observation Deck" sign above it right after all of that...if you would somehow miss it, the stairwell would be visible from the gate area of D if the bank of NW FIDS wasn't blocking it.

Hope that all helps!
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:33 pm

Thanks a lot Mike, I can't wait to get up there.

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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting CaptTu (Reply 4):
The Avro's in MSP use the C gates and sometimes the B gates.


The B is not built for the Avro. You'll see them from C20-27 and every now and then at A16. The inbound YQR gets in about halfway down the G, then taxis to the C after the crew goes through customs and immigration.
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:23 pm

Iowa744Fan...

Enjoy the generous seat pitch on the RJ85s! I have yet to go on one. Also be sure to check out the tunnel connecting concourse C at DTW to the main terminal.... its rather cool.

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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:41 pm

Burnsie, I should have been a little more clear. I ran the observation deck, and the terminal model together. They are in to completley different places as Mikey711MN pointed out.

Iowa744Fan, the Avro's are really nice. Not only is the pitch great, but the aisles are wide and so are the seats. I am sure you will have a nice trip with NW/9E/and XJ.
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:13 pm

Just to expand a little on what Mikey711MN posted, be aware that if you are killing time between flights, you have to go outside of the secured area to see the terminal model. I guess you just have to be willing to go through the hassle of security again to see it.

I last viewed the terminal model about six months ago and it is starting to show it's age a little bit. I think some of the glue is becoming weak because I know some of the aircraft for example have slid to different areas of the "tarmac" and you can see the glue spots where they were once located.

It is also fun to stand up there and look over the ticketing area and security checkpoints. Nice view, but not as good as the observation deck. Wouldn't it be great though if they piped the ATC communications into the observation deck sound system?!?

BTW, does anybody remember if they used to charge admission to go up to the observation deck. For some reason, I seem to remember that when I used to go up there as a kid (20-30 years ago) that you had to go through a turnstile and put something like .10 or a quarter in the slot. Does anybody else remember anything like that???
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting Beefer (Reply 11):
...be aware that if you are killing time between flights, you have to go outside of the secured area to see the terminal model. I guess you just have to be willing to go through the hassle of security again to see it.


Yeah, that's a really good point. However, a time-saving tip to clear security at MSP for ticket holders without bags to check, i.e. people who for whatever reason leave the secure area during their layover, is to enter the terminal at the Skyway Checkpoint, which provides direct access to Concourses A-C and G. Just an FYI if the main security checkpoints appear to have a bit of a delay, you should be able to clear the Skyway in a fraction of the time.

Enjoy MSP (my home airport) and DTW, easily two of the finest airports that the US has to offer!
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:45 pm

Haha, a lot of help on MSP and little help on DTW. Oh well.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
The B is not built for the Avro. You'll see them from C20-27 and every now and then at A16.


Talking with an XJ rampie, B14 can be used for the Avro (altough it is quite rare).

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Thread starter):
Do they still have the Cheers bar there?


In the late 90s the airport's main terminal underwent a major transformation. The entire main terminal was gutted an new stores and food establishments were put in.

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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:15 pm

So it sounds as if the model is outside of security????
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:41 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 14):
So it sounds as if the model is outside of security????


There are actually two models, both in the same location. One model is off the new international arrival facility at the Lindbergh Terminal (this facility was opened in 1996 and brought immigration/customs to the Lindbergh Terminal). The other model is off the Main Terminal and all of its gates, as of a couple years ago.

To get to the models you take the northern escalator up from the ticketing level to the mezzanine or skyway level. The models are right there, near the entrance to the skyway which connect to the Green Parking Ramp. Also from here, as Beefer said, you can overlook the entire length of the ticketing level.

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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:29 pm

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Thread starter):
I noticed that the RJ85s usually park at one end of the A concourse (like A51). I was wondering if this was generally the case and I could expect this? I have only been through the Worldport once, and I had to stay out in the B/C gates



You've got about a 50-50 shot of the Avro parking at an "odd A" gate vs. the B concourse. Also, FYI, A51 is right in the middle of the concourse.

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Thread starter):
Also, are you able to view any of the tarmac from the train in the A concourse?


No sir - you'll get a nice view of the waiting areas and podiums of the "even A" gates, the "water feature", and the ceiling, but your chances of seeing the tarmac will be better on the main level.


As far as MSP goes, forget about the Cheers bar - if you don't want to stop at any of the chain restaurants, pick up something quick at D'Amico's (next to the Starbucks in the Northstar Crossing area). It's a new favorite of mine now that I've actually started having layovers at my quasi-home airport (which is pretty surreal, by the way).


Anyway - enjoy the trip. Make the CRJ comfortable - try to pick out an exit row seat. For whatever reason, people tend to shy away from these, but they're the best seats on the plane.


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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:40 pm

The Obs deck had old turnstyles and a dime to go through them..................back when I was a youngster.


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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:26 pm

In DTW - avros primarily park at gates A59, 61 and 63. We also use B more often during the construction. Occasionally for overflow we might park at A45 or A47.

In MSP - 99% of the time we park at gates C20-C27 except for C21. A14 is an overflow gate and B14 is too, but B12 cannot be occupied as the wingspan is too wide to have 2 planes parked there at the same time.

Have a good trip.


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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:07 am

First of all, thank you to everyone for your responses and recommendations. I greatly appreciate all of it. I am definitely looking forward to getting to check out each of the airports in detail. I am hopeful that my flight from DSM to DTW on the ARJ will arrive in the A concourse at DTW so that I will have to walk around a bit to get to B and C. Speaking of which, I heard from a friend that half of the C gates are not in use due to the construction? Is this still the case, and which side are not in use? Either way, I have a 757 from DTW to MSP on the way back, so I will get to walk around A a bit.

A few more questions about MSP. I am really looking forward to getting to look around here again. I remember the observation deck, but that again that was a while ago. Heck, I have not been through MSP since they labeled the concourses as the gold, red, blue, and green! Anyway, that stinks that the models are not within the security area. Oh well, I imagine that I will probably spend my time walking the concourses. A quick question, what is this train that you guys are talking about at MSP? Is it just to get from the A and B gates to the rest of the airport? Is it within the secure area?

Thanks again to everyone for their responses. Hoping that my time in these airports will be a blast. I have been through ORD and DEN so much in the past few years, that it will be nice to have a change with MSP and DTW! Thanks again.
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 19):
A quick question, what is this train that you guys are talking about at MSP? Is it just to get from the A and B gates to the rest of the airport? Is it within the secure area?



There are two trains at MSP. One, outside of security, runs underground from the ticketing area/Ground Transportation Center to the Rental Car area/Skyway Security Checkpoint. Unless your connection is fouled up, you won't get a look at this, and it's nothing special.

The other is in the secure area, as it runs the length of the C concourse, stopping across from gates C1, C13-ish, and C27, the gate next to the entrances to the A and B concourses. You'll get a nice view of the road leading to arrivals and departures and the two parking ramps, but it's nothing special. It is very, very necessary though, as the C concourse is rather long, which is like saying that Shaq is rather tall.


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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:47 am

NWAMan,

Thanks. I think that I will probably stick to walking the C concourse. I know that it is long, but I have time and it will give me the opportunity to stop and check out aircraft up close...at least however many are there around 9-10PM at night. I should get to see a D10, as NW56 to AMS leaves at 2105. I don't think that the 333 operates much into MSP though. I'll get to see some at DTW earlier though. Hope to also see a 753 (don't see them that often). My only regret thus far is that I won't get to fly one of the DC9s. I always liked those birds and it would be fun to fly one again. Oh well, something tells me that I will get to see plenty of them! Thanks.
 
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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:51 am

Hi Iowa744Fan,

If you hope to see any 757-300 they will be parked on both the F and G concourse. MAYBE C1-C8..thats a big maybe.

There are no A330s in MSP...you will need to wait until you get into DTW for those.

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RE: Northwest DTW/MSP Airport Questions

Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:12 am

If you want to see the AMS flight, it will either be in the G4-8 area or out around F10-12. The 753s are scattered all over, but most likely will be around the even F gates.
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