ualflyer
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1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:01 pm

What is with United. Its fares and now this.

United is trying to book me a flight roundtrip from LAX to IAD between July 27 and Aug 2 . They say that their best rate in Business is if you fly on a A319 or A320 the whole way. Not only is it a terrible rate it is non-stop. I don't know if I should believe this or not. Would it be bad to book the seats on this kind of aircraft? Is it even possible to put this seating on an Airbus of that size? I need help!

Thanks

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gigneil
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:05 pm

United doesn't have business class on their A319s and A320s, they only have domestic first, economy plus, and economy.

That being said, domestic first is cheaper than first or business.

Of course its nonstop.

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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:10 pm

Its a mistake.

They did make major changes to the online reservation system lately, at least in asthetics. Perhaps it isn't perfect yet.

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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:17 pm

On their Online res system, you can select from economy (lowest), economy (lowest refundable), economy (no restrictions, business and first. On domestic flights, there is no business, so if you select business, you will just be booked in domestic first
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:32 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
On domestic flights, there is no business, so if you select business, you will just be booked in domestic first


This is not true. United offers three distinct classes of service on several routes, including JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX. There are also several routes with widebody three-class equipment; these vary throughout the year, but ones that have appeared frequently in the recent past and that I have flown include IAD-ORD (777, 763), ORD-SFO (777), and ORD-LAX (744). There have also been reports of 777s flying DEN-IAD, DEN-SFO, DEN-LAX, etc. At one point, UA was operating the 744 ORD-DEN.

The REASON the original poster sees business class as an offering on an A319/A320 flight is because it is a continuation of an international flight. United allocates seats in a variety of inventories in order to make connection pricing more seamless; in other words, a passenger on a D fare NRT-LAX can then connect on that same fare LAX-IAD instead of the system having to price out a discounted first class fare on the same itinerary. The same F/C/Y 'problem' shows up from time to time on 737 and 757 equipment. If it's widebody equipment, then there's a 99% chance it's actually three class service.

From an inventory management perspective, if an A319 has only eight first class seats, then (excluding any overselling) only eight F and C fares will be sold. Therefore, the cabin won't be sold with, say, 4 F fares and 6 C fares, exceeding its capacity.
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:37 pm

Quoting UnitedStarGold (Reply 5):
This is not true. United offers three distinct classes of service on several routes, including JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX. There are also several routes with widebody three-class equipment; these vary throughout the year, but ones that have appeared frequently in the recent past and that I have flown include IAD-ORD (777, 763), ORD-SFO (777), and ORD-LAX (744). There have also been reports of 777s flying DEN-IAD, DEN-SFO, DEN-LAX, etc. At one point, UA was operating the 744 ORD-DEN.

The REASON the original poster sees business class as an offering on an A319/A320 flight is because it is a continuation of an international flight. United allocates seats in a variety of inventories in order to make connection pricing more seamless; in other words, a passenger on a D fare NRT-LAX can then connect on that same fare LAX-IAD instead of the system having to price out a discounted first class fare on the same itinerary. The same F/C/Y 'problem' shows up from time to time on 737 and 757 equipment. If it's widebody equipment, then there's a 99% chance it's actually three class service.


Yes, and sometimes they have 744s going LAX-DEN, and very rarely LAX-SFO. Still, the norm now is to have 2 class (Y+ excluded) aircraft on the routes. For example, you can select Business on MSY-LAX, but you will put in domestic first. If you get a 763, 744 or 2 class 777, yes, you can book a C class seat. On most domestic flights, however, you are in first. If you are continuing an international flight, you will be in domestic first whether you are coming off of a First or Business seat on the international
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Yes, and sometimes they have 744s going LAX-DEN, and very rarely LAX-SFO. Still, the norm now is to have 2 class (Y+ excluded) aircraft on the routes. For example, you can select Business on MSY-LAX, but you will put in domestic first. If you get a 763, 744 or 2 class 777, yes, you can book a C class seat. On most domestic flights, however, you are in first. If you are continuing an international flight, you will be in domestic first whether you are coming off of a First or Business seat on the international


That's exactly what I already said in great detail. Why repeat it?

If you are on a 2-class 777, then you will be in domestic first, not international business. If you are on a 3-class 777, then yes, a C-class seat is available. Remember, there are 3-class 757s in the system now on the P.S. routes; 2-class 757s are referenced as 752.

Technically, you can book a C-class seat on a 733, for example, but it will actually be for an F seat. C-class refers to the booking code; C-cabin refers to the actual location of the seat. United recently made this distinction on its boarding passes to reflect this.
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 12:53 pm

Well USG, given that the poster asked if this was possible on A319/A320s, Neil and I gave the right responses.
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:53 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
Well USG, given that the poster asked if this was possible on A319/A320s, Neil and I gave the right responses.


Yes, you did. But I was pointing out that I had provided much more detailed information, and then you repeated that information verbatim. I was questioning why you did this - seems like a need to assert your knowledge, when in fact you obviously learned something from me and didn't have the grace to acknowledge that.
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting UnitedStarGold (Reply 9):
seems like a need to assert your knowledge, when in fact you obviously learned something from me and didn't have the grace to acknowledge that.


Um, you are kidding me, right? I am very well aware of UA's domestic flights with 3 class aircraft and how people are booked on their various aircraft when connecting. I was answering a question that related to one of their 2 class aircraft, as the original poster did not understand that they flew the A319/A320 on trans-cons and did not realize they only had 2 classes, because of the way they were booked.
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:25 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Um, you are kidding me, right?


Actually, no, I'm not. If the original poster were to follow your advice as given above, and search business class fares within the US, then he would not be very happy. If no business class fare is available, then the default is coach class, not first class as you stated. Try a couple of random searches for yourself, and you'll see that this rule generally holds true.

Business class can only be booked if there is a business class cabin. Even on the 'ghost' three-class flights, where it's actually two-class metal but sold as three-class for international connection purposes, one cannot book the domestic portion of the leg in business. The itinerary must be priced in first class. However, if that aircraft really does have three cabins, then the system recognizes this, and a first class ticket on that flight costs more than on a flight with two-class service.

Are you actually a high-level elite on any airline, or do you gain your knowledge from spending tons of time on sites like this?

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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:53 pm

Do you think I should book it. What do i do. If the prices get any higher i will be not able to fly. And if I book a business class seat and it isn't business i will be very unhappy.

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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting Ualflyer (Reply 12):
Do you think I should book it. What do i do. If the prices get any higher i will be not able to fly. And if I book a business class seat and it isn't business i will be very unhappy.


Did you NOT read any of the responses?! YOU WILL NOT BE PURCHASING A BUSINESS CLASS SEAT.

As Gigneil, N1120A, and myself all explained, the A319 and A320 have TWO classes of service: domestic first and economy. The standard domestic first seat has 38" of pitch and is about 20" wide. It reclines about 3". It's nothing great, but it's definitely worth the price of an upgrade using miles or certificates. It's probably not worth whatever you're being quoted by United.

If you really want to purchase a business class seat, MAKE SURE you're doing so on the 767-300 international configuration aircraft. This operates the 7:40AM flight LAX-IAD. There may be a three-class aircraft later in the day as well. Please, go back and actually READ the responses people took the time to type.

If you can't process information spoon-fed to you, how can you possibly afford a business class ticket at the age of 16-20 as per your profile?
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:05 am

To confuse things, if you fly on a 2 cabin A320, internationally, say IAD-SJO for example, the premium cabin is sold as Business and not first. I believe these are the only UA flights where no First class is sold.
 
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:22 am

Quoting CarbHeatIn (Reply 14):
I believe these are the only UA flights where no First class is sold.


Correct. Obviously, TED and United Express (for the most part) are excluded.
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:07 am



Quoting UnitedStarGold (Reply 13):
If you really want to purchase a business class seat, MAKE SURE you're doing so on the 767-300 international configuration aircraft. This operates the 7:40AM flight LAX-IAD.

You are wrong. In fact, it is a 7:55am flight and it is operated on a 777.
 
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RE: 1st, Biz And Economy On United A319s And A320s?

Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:47 am

I would purchase the cheaper one then call UA to switch it to the 777.
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