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The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:34 pm

Hello.

I was just wondering what was happening with NCL nowadays. How is it affected by the aviation white-paper? I have been reading their website, and they are talking about a runway extension. Is this confirmed or likely, and also what about the terminal - is that going to be expanded any? Will they have more than one pier?

It has been years since I have been there - and it used to be that it had no departures area - when you went through security, you went down into the pier and boarded the a/c - you had to wait until your flight was called. I've heard it has changed and I just wondered if anyone could tell me about it.

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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:40 pm

NCL's long-term masterplan includes an expansion of its terminal facilities to meet a forecast 10 million passengers a year by 2030. It is also intending to extend the runway by 360m. As there is much local support for the airport and a relatively small number of people adversely affected by exapnsion it shouldn't cause too many issues.

The White Paper added little on NCL, except supporting these plans. There have been sompe proposals mentioned to look at a possible future rail link to the airport (as opposed to the Metro).
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:34 pm

Will the runway extension really be worth it? What new aircraft types will be able to use NCL now?
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:52 pm

Wasnt the masterplan for 10m at NCL by 2010 and 16m by 2030?
The terminal will be expanded and runway extended, and I think some developments will take place south of the runway, but apart from that, not much is needing changed from today's airport.
The runway extension will give the A330s and 767s that fly to Sanford a little more leeway and will probably also allow nonstop 747 flights to Florida etc.
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:56 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Wasnt the masterplan for 10m at NCL by 2010 and 16m by 2030?


The White paper (in front of me) says 10 million by 2030 - not seen the exact NCL masterplan so can't say whether this is a typo or not.
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:58 pm

Well I have a feeling that NCL will be well past 10m by 2030 if things keep going as they are
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:00 pm

Thanks for the info everyone.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
not much is needing changed from today's airport

Does that mean there won't be any change to the passenger terminal? How much will it be extended, if any? Any blueprints/plans anywhere?

The terminal is not very big at the moment, is it?

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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:06 pm

In the picture above, you see the fuel farm at the top. Thats being moved, and the termina being expanded in that direction with the possibility of another pier being built.
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:34 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Well I have a feeling that NCL will be well past 10m by 2030 if things keep going as they are


I would think so too - mind you if its going to make 10 million by 2010 - its got a way to go as its on about 4 million at the moment (?). Will need some very heavy lo-co expansion to get up there in five years.

Hope the airport does well though for the locals - lived in NCL for a while and loved the place - didn't want to leave  Smile
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:38 pm

Last year it had 4.8 million.
The year before was 3.5 million.

easyJet now have a 6 a/c base, FR fly to Dublin and Bergamo, HLX fly to Hanover, Munich and Cologne.
And it's even busier during the summer, with up to 9 based charter a/c as well as foreign charter airlines and up to 4 flights a week to Orlando Sanford
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
easyJet now have a 6 a/c base, FR fly to Dublin and Bergamo, HLX fly to Hanover, Munich and Cologne.
And it's even busier during the summer, with up to 9 based charter a/c as well as foreign charter airlines and up to 4 flights a week to Orlando Sanford


So its not beyond the realms of possibility if easy keep push their expansion then, charter grows and others move in.

As a slight aside, do the Icelanders still fly down to NCL to do their shopping at the Metro Centre as in the past?
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:46 pm

I'm amazed that anything can reach as far as Sanford with a runway as small as NCLs.

Anyway thanks for the info - I think it would be great with a new pier. I used to live in the far east, and our trips to/from Jakarta used to start and end at NCL - we used to get down to LHR using Dan Air!

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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:47 pm

Naw, think they go to Manchester now for some reason. Still get plenty of Norwegians though  Wink
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:53 pm

Quoting Ready4Pushback (Reply 11):
I'm amazed that anything can reach as far as Sanford with a runway as small as NCLs.


I suspect it involves a stop at somewhere like Bangor, Maine in order to do so.
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:54 pm

Nope, the A330s and 767s fly NCL-SFB with a full load, Nonstop. The 757s though have to stop en-route  Wink
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 14):
The 757s though have to stop en-route


That must be a flight from hell - must be at least 10 hours, right ? In a 757 - blimey, not fun at all !

For the stop in BGR, do pax clear US Immigration/Customs in BGR or remain on board and clear at SFB ?
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:59 pm

No idea, think it flies via Gandor  Wink
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:02 pm

Are they 767-300s or -200s? Do they sling shot it off the runway or something!  Wink

I still go to the Metro Centre from time to time. The equivalent down here (Merry Hill Centre - I call it the Merry Hell Centre) is a pile of crap - I hate it.
 
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:09 pm

they are FCA and XLA Boeing 767-300ER a/c  Wink
XLA also fly to the Dominican Republic from the Toon airport
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:58 pm

The future will involve the flying club going out of business, as the extorionate landing fees for us are just too much. 25quid a shot, even for NCL based a/c is a rip off, and no doubt the greedy NCL airport will further increase this charge
 
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:21 am

The runway is sufficient for fully loaded A330's and 767-300's flying to SFB. I flew BY 767-300 from NCL to MCO in 1999 and in October 2004 flew fully loaded A330 with monarch to SFB. Having said that... we were almost on the A1 motorway before we rotated.....lol. Both of these flights were non stop!

Also flew long haul to Toronto on a Air Transat A310....another tough one to get airborne from NCL.

Ready 4 Pushback NCL has always had a departure area. Its changed a great deal in the last 15 years but there has always been a departure lounge. In June 1988 I flew to Tenerife from NCL and the departure lounge was quite big but had no windows. Then they installed windows and then they extended and built the international terminal and made the old building purely 'domestic'.

The international terminal has had further work done to the departures area and its actually really nice...plenty of shops/bars/restaurants etc...

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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:23 am

the biggest problem with NCL now is the severe lack of viewing space!!!! They have closed the old viewing balcony in favour of an extended departures area!
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:00 am

767s get all the way, 757s stop in Bangor (not Wales) - what is it with that place for fuel stops?
You don't go through customs and immigration - thank god - that would be terrible to go through twice with all of that stuff you have to give them now! You just get off when they refuel the plane, and sit in a bit of the terminal - it was being re-done when I was there so all there was were seats and fans!

Quoting NCLairport (Reply 20):
"Having said that... we were almost on the A1 motorway before we rotated.....lol. "


I hope you weren't as the A1 is a bit far from the runway! (A696 maybe?)

I hate the fact that there is no viewing area anymore, you can't see anything without a ticket and even then you can't go outside! I used to love goin up to the 3rd floor when I was a little'un and watching all the planes - I say 'all the', but there wasn't that many!

About that runway extension - they've been talking about it for years but it never happens, and would need to have a road re- routed around it if they did! Theres also problems with coal mine I think, as this was a problem when they originally extended the runway years and years ago! - but correct me if I'm wrong - maybe thats not a problem now? - I would love for some new types to come - hopefully old - VC10 please - I know thats wishful thinking, but we get a DC8 so you never know!

And those scandinavians should come back n shop in the Metro Centre - its propa massive now!!!

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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:02 am

The runway isn't needed for big twins and their good power-to-weight ratios (the A330 positioning down to MAN practically jumps off the runway but even full to SFB isn't a problem.)

The runway extension is actually required for fully loaded A321s and 737-800s flying to Greece (limits of range) during the summer who don't have such a good power-to-weight ratio....and sometimes have to make a tech stop in Teeside. It's all due to Callerton Hill at the end of the runway.

However, with only about 4 tech stops required each year, it's going to be a long time before a business case can be made for a million-pound(s) extension.
 
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:34 am

Newcastle has a bright future indeed:

Long haul

Continental is likely with a daily 757 Newark route in 2006. Emirates is another possibility, with more UK regional services mooted such as Belfast, Edinburgh, Newcastle and Bristol. I think it is a matter of time for these two. Zoom is also a good bet with their recent addition of flights from Cardiff and Belfast to Toronto, Newcastle is undoubtedly high on their list of potential destinations. Air Transat will likely increase capacity in summer 2006 by using an A330. On the charter side, a Cancun flight is likely, providing the Dom Rep flights prove popular this year. Orlando/Sanford is very strong this year and hopefully this will be kept up in the future.

European scheduled

The bulk of growth in the european market will undoubtedly come from the low cost airlines. easyJet will be at the top of the list. Possible destinations include Amsterdam, Cork, Shannon, Warsaw, Krakow, Valencia, Madrid, Almeria, Ibiza, Faro, Dortmund, Basel, London Luton, London Gatwick, Pisa and Venice. Along with some of these destinations will come more based aircraft. Ryanair is looking at more routes from the North East, however, whether NCL or MME will benefit from these additions is unclear. Possible destinations include Oslo, Hamburg, Shannon, Murcia, Venice, Pisa and Gerona. There still exists gaps in several continental markets, which if not picked up by FR or U2 could be tried by the likes of Wizz Air, Norweigan.no and Skyeurope. Flybe has a strong presence in the French market and regional french destinations may come into play in the future.

Domestic

The bulk of growth on the domestic front will probably be headed by Flybe. Rumoured additions to the NCL network include Inverness, Aberdeen, Norwich, Southend and Birmingham. The Exeter route will mature to twice daily and if Eastern pull out of the SOU route, this will go to 3 daily. Speaking of Eastern, it is as yet unclear as to how they are performing up against BE on the SOU route. They have ABZ to themselves, but this will undoubtedly change in the future. The London City route has come up in discussion several times recently, and there is a market for such a service. Possible operators include Eastern and VLM. EUjet will have to work hard to make the MSE route work, and a Shannon-Newcastle route would be a worthy addition. BA will continue to ply the LHR and LGW routes. There are several domestic destinations ripe for service: London City, London Luton, Bournemouth, Norwich and Inverness, as well as increased competition on exisiting routes.

Just throwing a few thoughts around, and many of these flights may never happen, but the market at NCL is far from saturated, and the list of possibilities is growing by season.

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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:44 am

I live just across from the NCL flight path and everytime I look out of the window all I seem to see these days is www.easyjet.com flying past!! The long hauls all come in during the night/early morning. as do many of the greek charters in the summer.

The Metro Centre should still prove popular for the scandanavians..... I wonder what they would think of the new Red Mall???

I heard Continental was also likely but they are waiting to see if Bristol is a success first. Im not sure if daily 757's could be filled from NCL. I think twice a week is more likely....Maybe Thursday and Saturday?
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:27 am

during the summer at NCL its a nightmare! Planes all over the ramp because its so busy. The problem is i dont think another terminal can be justified as the winter months are so quite. Just mainly domestics and Amsetrdam flights and then of the course the EZY army! Another terminal would be redundant during this season.

I think what they do need is a second pier!!!! (and new viewing space)

FYI they have now installed a small viewing area behing WHSmith in the domestic terminal. You can only see the domestic flights though, you cant see the international side of the pier.
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:08 am

NCL airport - about the viewing deck behind WHSmith, is that open to the public, or is that only for people wit tickets? Because I thaught that you could only get around the back of WHSmith with a ticket now coz they were changing the upstairs?
 
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:31 am

It is open to the public, but all you can really see is orange tail's. Apparently, in the bar on the second floor, you can view from there, but I haven't been up there yet. I e-mailed NCL about it and they replied about the bar and pub viewing areas and they don't plan to open any other areas.
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:07 am

thats crap, it used to be grat going outside, untill they shut the 3rd floor and put you way back on the 2nd floor, but even that was ok! ill just have to stand outside the door to watch then!
 
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:27 am

yeah, its really exciting , despite my previous negative post, im kinda happy that the airport is doing so well, and I hope it does expand. The North today is mch more prosperous than 10 years ago, and more transpor links will furter allow our economic development. Just wish the aiport was more GA friendly
 
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:47 pm

Quoting NCLairport (Reply 20):
Ready 4 Pushback NCL has always had a departure area. Its changed a great deal in the last 15 years but there has always been a departure lounge. In June 1988 I flew to Tenerife from NCL and the departure lounge was quite big but had no windows. Then they installed windows and then they extended and built the international terminal and made the old building purely 'domestic'.

Well, when I used to travel out of there, I'm sure there was a departure "area", but it was very small. I remember on the ground level you had a small shop with the baggage reclaim really close to it, a seating area and next to that the security barrier to go through to the gates. I don't remember there being any shops or anything in "departures". Upstairs there was more seating and a restaurant. Is the upstairs all departures now?

Quoting NCLairport (Reply 25):
I wonder what they would think of the new Red Mall???

What's/where's the "Red Mall"?
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Thanks for replying everyone. I can't believe those A330s and 763s can fly lang-haul from there!
 
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:52 pm

Talking about A330s, MyTravel's G-OMYT was in NCL yesterday operating to and from Faro.
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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:59 pm

Quick question: Why can't i find the right address to NCL's website?

I don't care about the one in Australia, but it's the only one i find...  Smile

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RE: The Future Of NCL Airport?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:01 pm

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Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:06 pm

Thanks... Smile

Wrote the whole thing in one word... *slaps head*

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