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New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:53 am

Delta/Song set to occupy first new Logan terminal built in 30 years.


http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=71802
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:37 am

Go DL.......................wonder what the future palns hold for DL at BOS? I can see a major Song expansion to protect against B6 and perhaps some Europe flights. Any ideas?
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:50 am

I'd would think Song goes into LAX/SFO/SEA.

This terminal will really help Delta. It is the first terminal you come to while entering the the airport and the only terminal where you can exit without having to go thru the entire loop. Perfect for Shuttle passengers.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:52 am

The local "transportation newspaper", can't recall the name, has 2 pages dedicated to the opening of the terminal. There's a quote in one of the articles that hints at the addition of International flights from BOS by Delta. That would probably be contigent on adding customs and immigration to terminal A. I suspect that at that point we'd see other SkyTeam airlines move to terminal A as well (Air France, AeroMexico, Alitalia).
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:45 am

It's a shame that Terminal A is ready when Delta has fallen upon hard times. I somehow doubt that Delta will add any destinations from Boston. They've had failed attempts at serving Frankfurt and London/Gatwick. I don't think that plans to serve Rome ever came to fruition.

It might be feasible, however, for all of the SkyTeam partners to operate out of Terminal A. Aeromexico, Air France, Alitalia, Continental, Delta, and Northwest all serve Boston. That would bring transoceanic service to Amsterdam, Mexico City, and Paris/Charles de Gaulle. Korean Air no longer serves Boston but they might be tempted to return.

The addition of FIS services would make Boston an easier connection point. Right now, international arrivals in Boston are at the remote Terminal E, which can be a pain--especially to Terminal A.

But I don't know if Delta and its SkyTeam partners care to make Boston a "hub," so to speak. The weather is not favorable and the airport can be congested. It might be just as easy to leave Boston available for O&D traffic, obviating the immediate need to consolidate operations to a single terminal.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:08 am

It'll be interesting to see if DL does anything with BOS in the next year.

BOS was largely left out of the route restructuring last month. While other focus cities gained quite a few new flights, BOS got almost nothing. Plus, BOS gained nothing in the recently announced Song expansion.

I think DL's going to have their hands full trying to slug it out with JBLU in both JFK and BOS.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:14 am

I was under the impression that Massport was adamant about all international flights arrive at "E", since they socked a good bit of change into the terminal renovations.

If Delta can get them to alter their thinking, DL and SkyTeam could really open up BOS....
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:14 am

Of course, I miss the opening by 2 days (I'm flying out the 14th to GSO). I wouldn't be shocked if my father was on the 3rd flight out of the terminal (the 0600 to LGA; only the 0550 to CVG and the 0535 to DCA leave before that)...

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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:25 am

Not a day too soon! While I like the open departures lobby of Terminal C, the concourses and security checkpoints are just too small for the amount of traffic that Delta, Continental, and United (not to mention Air Canada, Midwest, and Cape Air) are putting through there. Thank goodness the international departures on AF moved to Terminal E because those just made things even worse! I can remember one afternoon when the security line for the DL/CO concourse stretched almost to the control tower.

I've got a flight out of Terminal C on CO on March 17, so it will be a bit weird to see all of Delta's areas completely empty there.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:31 am

When Terminal E opened, they brought in the Concorde to be it's first visitor.
Do they have anything special planned for Terminal A?


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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
I've got a flight out of Terminal C on CO on March 17, so it will be a bit weird to see all of Delta's areas completely empty there.


Somehow, I don't think that area will stay empty for long. B6 will probably move into that area shortly DL/Song move to A.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
Somehow, I don't think that area will stay empty for long.


Oh, I realize that. However, I doubt that jetBlue will have moved its operations into Terminal C the day after Delta begins operations in the new Terminal A. I'm still scratching my head as to which "eleven" gates jetBlue will be taking since I'm pretty sure Delta only has ten, spread out across all three concourses (20, 21, 26, 28, 29, 31, 34, 36, 41, 42).
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:43 am

I think JetBlue has its eyes set on the Continental gates...if they move from C to A (which is quite possible), then I'm sure B6 would snatch up those gates. There are 11 gates in the current DL/CO pier, so I'm assuming B6 takes over this entire pier, leaving 41/42 open to a new carrier (I'm assuming Cape Air might take one of these), and 20/21 would revert back to UA/AC.

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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:50 am

I suppose the big question mark is where CO is going to go long-term. If I'm not mistaken, Delta is more or less borrowing C20 and C21 from United. I doubt Continental wants to split operations between two of the concourses (any more than jetBlue does), and there's been no news of CO moving into A with Delta.

Of course, jetBlue is going to start with 3 or 4 gates in C and add one every six months for a few years, so there's time for everything to get sorted out.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:03 am

The last I heard as to Terminal C gate assigments after DL's moves was this...
-CO will use C25, C27, C40, C41.
-B6 will use C28, C36, C34, C32, C29, C31, C33
-YX will use C26, sub-leased from B6/Massport (until B6 needs the add'l capacity, then YX will relocate again)
-UA will continue to use C11, C15, C16, C17, C18, C19, and will renovate C20 and C21 from the Song style back to UA specs
-AC remains at C12 & C14
-Not sure where 9K will operate from with their Cessnas but would not surprise me if they come over to UA's side somewhere with a remote operation at least for the time being.

Also I have heard that
-NW will move to the original B6 gates in Terminal E (E1D, E1E) to make room in the IAB area of E for add'l international capacity. However, not sure if this is still the case.

If Virgin America starts BOS service soon after they commence, I wonder where they would be put.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:20 am

What about B1,2,3: the DL Shuttle gates? Who will those go to?

and also, will ATA and HP stay in B? It would seem like AA would want there side of B all to themselves.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting BOSugaDL (Reply 15):
What about B1,2,3: the DL Shuttle gates? Who will those go to?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't these belong to US?
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:46 am

SRQ,
The shuttle had been operating out of those gates in Terminal B.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:20 am



Quoting KBOS (Reply 9):
Do they have anything special planned for Terminal A?

The only special plane would likely be the 762 "Spirit of Delta", although a 777 would also make a nice addition. I just hope that DL makes good use of the new terminal. They used to have plans for service to CDG, FRA, DUB, SNN, LGW, JAX, LAX, etc. They shouldn't spend $400 million for nothing.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:25 am



Quoting SRQCrosscheck (Reply 16):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't these belong to US?

Yes DL leased them from US when Terminal A, where DL Shuttle was originally located, was closed for renovation.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:49 am

I know this sounds naive, but did DL pay at all for this terminal? I'm really not sure.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:57 am



Quoting QuestAir (Reply 20):
I know this sounds naive, but did DL pay at all for this terminal? I'm really not sure.

Dl has invested at least $400 million into this new facility (those were the costs estimated when construction first started; might have increased over the years).
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:22 am

I can't wait to see the new terminal in June when I come to Boston for my summer internship. I'm trying to get my dad to come with me, so he can bring me into the new Crown Room!
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:20 am

Digging this topic out, delta.com is now showing some flights to and from BOS tomorrow as departing and arriving from gates in Terminal A, not Terminal C. The Shuttle flights are still appearing to be at Terminal B, but it's possible that the information for those flights may not have yet been updated. It also appears that the gate numbers no longer hyperlink to the now-inaccurate BOS terminal map.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:26 am

I have serious doubts that DL will enter any LAX/transcon route out of BOS. They couldn't make LAX and LGW work before, so why now? Plans for FCO were dropped also. They have more gates than they need in Terminal A for their current schedule also. No other carrier at BOS wants to move to Terminal A due to the high rent fees per square foot (CO, NW). I was told it was 50% more than the other older terminals. Nonetheless, Terminal A is a phenomenal step forward for Logan and Delta- it's a great space. Congrats to them for making it work.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting Mats (Reply 4):
It's a shame that Terminal A is ready when Delta has fallen upon hard times. I somehow doubt that Delta will add any destinations from Boston. They've had failed attempts at serving Frankfurt and London/Gatwick. I don't think that plans to serve Rome ever came to fruition.

I agree with this, and it IS a shame. 'Suppose they gave a party and no one came' is what this feels like. The terminal was conceived and started pre-9/11 when things were humming along for the airline industry. Fast-forward to today, and you have a Delta that is hemmoraging cash and a Song in search of confidence (are we or aren't we? Will we or won't we?). Delta has 'been there/done that' with respect to transcons and Europe...both attempts ending badly. A new terminal won't magically make those routes succeed; indeed, DL failed in those efforts when the industry was healthy, so don't even bother wondering whether they would work now. You can identify selective European routes that might do well (Ireland, to name one), but anything worthwhile is on the radar scopes of ALL the carriers...not just Delta.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:56 pm

Quoting 727Stretch (Reply 24):
They couldn't make LAX and LGW work before, so why now?

LGW didn't work because DL couldn't get sufficient O&D traffic nor connection traffic. The latter is likely to increase once DL opens new routes from BOS. LAX had the same problem, plus the fact that other airlines offered better service. And it won't be DL return on that route, it would be Song, and with their better inflight service and the fact that the flight would be a red-eye would secure success on the route.

Quoting 727Stretch (Reply 24):
Plans for FCO were dropped also

In favor of AZ operating a summer-seasonal daily 763 service, which is ample enough for that route.

Quoting 727Stretch (Reply 24):
They have more gates than they need in Terminal A for their current schedule also.

To secure enough space for future expansion. Would be astupid move if they kept the same number of gates.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:13 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 26):
LGW didn't work because DL couldn't get sufficient O&D traffic nor connection traffic. The latter is likely to increase once DL opens new routes from BOS

While Massport maintain their insistence that all international arrivals in BOS are handled by Terminal E, there is no way BOS can pick up transit pax to other US cities. The only people with a hope of achieving that are NW, because they use E for both international and domestic passengers, but since their only international service is from AMS (much better served by DTW MSP and MEM for international transit pax to the US), this is not likely either.

DL must pressure Massport into allowing FIS facilities in Terminal A, so that Skyteam partners AF, AZ can move there and create a proper Skyteam mini-hub.
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:22 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 27):
DL must pressure Massport into allowing FIS facilities in Terminal A, so that Skyteam partners AF, AZ can move there and create a proper Skyteam mini-hub.

No doubt about that, but unfortunately Massport has been acting like a stubborn donkey when it comes to FIS in other terminals. It would make it all easier for Skyteam and allow for better connections, which in turn could only be good for BOS because better connections in teh long term mean for passengers, but I guess for the time being Massport is too focused on pleasing JB.
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:45 am

It was in the paper todfay that they are opening up A tomorrow. I don't know if they have any big celebrations planned, if anything it seems that massport wants to have a few people going through the airport as possible.

Delta NEEDS a better terminal in Boston. The current C is way to crowded, not just gates but chekin, and a lot of people avoid flying any of the C airlines simply becuase it is such a big hassle. Of course, they are still going to have a big problem with Terminal A since they don't have enough room for large checkins and people waiting for the many delayed flights. Which of course just leads to more people trying to avoid flying as much as they can...
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:55 am

Quoting Cloudboy (Reply 29):
It was in the paper todfay that they are opening up A tomorrow

The opening is today.

Quoting Cloudboy (Reply 29):
Delta NEEDS a better terminal in Boston. The current C is way to crowded, not just gates but chekin, and a lot of people avoid flying any of the C airlines simply becuase it is such a big hassle. Of course, they are still going to have a big problem with Terminal A since they don't have enough room for large checkins and people waiting for the many delayed flights. Which of course just leads to more people trying to avoid flying as much as they can...

This link has an answer to your complaints  Wink :
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050316/clw043_3.html

Quote:
- Almost three times the space of Delta's previous locations in Terminal
B and Terminal C combined;
- One centralized security checkpoint with eight lanes to accommodate
peak customer travel periods;
- A fully-automated customer service center that provides a comprehensive
solution to improve customer service during irregular operations, such
as flight delays and cancellations;
 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 17, 2005 2:36 am

Boston Globe coverage of the opening of Terminal A:

Delta lands at Terminal A

A model of post-9/11 security

And here's the map from delta.com

 
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RE: New Boston Terminal Set To Open

Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:36 am

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