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ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:21 am

I am going back to Europe in May and I am looking for the cheapest way over possible. I have a Rapid Rewards trip on WN so I was thinking of flying AUS-ISP and then taking the LIRR to Jamaica Station, then the JFK train to the terminal for a JFK-LHR flight. (or JFK-anywhere in Europe flight). The flight from AUS leaves at 8:25am, transfers at BNA, and arrives ISP at 4:25PM. There are a variety of night flights available leaving anywhere from 8:30 PM on from JFK.

What is the realistic time that it will take to accomplish this journey by train? I know that I must change trains at least once. Is 4 hours enough time to leave between my WN arrival at ISP and Europe departure at JFK?

Or should I just fly from Austin and pay the whole way? Cheapest I could find was AUS-LGW for $651.65 on CO. Dates are: May 6 departure, May 23 return. OTOH, the flights from JFK-LHR are running in the $420-$450 range.

I am open to suggestions for other city pairs as well. Basically, fly anywhere that WN goes and then transfer to a Europe bound flight. Or fly from Austin to somewhere in Europe on one of the majors. Decisions, decisions.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:31 am

The ISP terminal is on the south side of the field and the LIRR station is on the north-- so you probably need the used-to-be-$5 van/taxi? to the station. Once you're on the train it's an hour to Jamaica; once you're on the Airtrain it's 12-15 minutes from Jamaica to JFK.
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:39 am

Colonial Taxi has hourly service to Ronkonkoma station for $5 they have a sign right in front of the baggage claim at ISP

Peak (rush hour) one way is $10 (ouch) from Ronkonkoma to Jamaica
off Peak is $7.50

another $5 for airtrain

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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:49 am

The Ronkonkoma station is almost walking distance (well, not quite!) from the airport.

Take a look at http://lirr42.mta.info/index.asp
That's the LIRR timetable lookup page. Select From Ronkonkoma To Jamaica and an estimated departure time. I took a quick look at a week day in May, and starting around 5 p.m. there are about 4 trains that might fit your schedule. Travel time is 1 hour 20 minutes.

A 4:25pm arrival at ISP would set you up on a 7:13pm train, arriving at Jamaica around 8:30pm. (There is a 4:45 train, but you probably won't make that one.)

The AirTrain info is at http://www.panynj.gov/airtrain/
Depending on time of day, they say the train leaves Jamaica every 4 - 12 minutes, and the trip takes about 15 minutes. On that schedule, I would expect you would get to the terminal around 9pm.

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brons2
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:03 am

Why the huge gap between 4:46 and 7:13? Do trains not run inbound during peak times??

The 7:13 train would not be a desirable option, as leaving 2 hours to make my flight at JFK would require an 11PM JFK-LHR flight.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:12 am

Sure nuff-- apparently they don't like to run trains against the flow (single track from Ronkonkoma almost to Farmingdale).

The regular schedule is an hour from Ronkonkoma to Jamaica, but maybe Moose135 is looking at that "Special Message" that I can't see.

So what about BWI?
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:12 am

Brons-
The LIRR is single track for a good portion of the way between Pinelawn and Brentwood, typical of the foresight of the MTA when they electrified the line in 1989......the schedule has been the same since I was in High school, no westbounds from 4:45 to 7:15 every weekday evening....it sucks bad

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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:12 am

$650 for AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-LGW in May is a pretty good deal. I'd pay the extra money, it would be a nightmare to transfer from ISP to JFK.

Have you checked fares to London from BWI, MCO, or TPA? You can fly WN non-stop to one of these airports, then catch a BA or VS flight across the pond (I'm assuming BA still operates BWI-LON, right?)

You could also try flying AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-PHL, AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-RDU, or AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-DTW and catching a flight to London at these airports. Or, you could fly AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-MDW and transfer to ORD, or AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-FLL and transfer to MIA.

Still, given the hassle of the transfer, I'd take the $650 AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS / KAUS) (closed), USA - Texas AND / KAND), USA - South Carolina">AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KBSM), USA - Texas">AUS-LGW / EGKK), United Kingdom">LGW fare!

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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:44 am

No I hadn't considered BWI, who flies from there to Europe?

I had considered BWI and a DCA transfer but I figured that would be worse than getting from DAL to DFW. Which, I found a DFW-CDG fare for $509 on American including taxes...
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:51 pm

British Airways has a daily flight BWI-LHR BA228 departing at 2055. The BA website says it is a 777-200 in May instead of the current 767-300ER.  bigthumbsup 

WN has a non-stop AUS-BWI flight WN1359 departing at 1135 and arriving at 1545. If you can get a good fare on BA, this would be your best bet and a lot easier than taking the LIRR.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:04 pm

Avoid the LIRR at all costs. Trust me.
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:14 pm

As far as I can tell, BWI-LHR on your preferred dates is running around $540 (on BA). PHL-LGW is $480 on US Airways (and $30-40 more on BA to LHR). There are some less expensive fares from both which require connections.

I suppose it all depends on if your Rapid Rewards ticket is going away soon (and you don't have some other use for it) and how much another 3,000 or so frequent flyer miles are worth to you. It looks like your transfers between ISP and JFK would add up to a minimum of $40, so there's not much advantage to going that way as compared to via PHL or BWI.
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:50 pm

As noted, taking the LIRR from Ronkonkoma may not be a reasonable option due to the big gap in westbound trains. One option you might consider is taking the LIRR from Sayville, which is to the south of ISP but not all that much farther than Ronkonkoma. There's a train departing Sayville at 5:37, arriving in Jamaica at 6:40 with a change of train in Babylon. There's no regular shuttle service from ISP to Sayville as there is to Ronkonkoma, so you'd have to get a taxi, probably $15 to $20.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:51 pm

From BWI, there's Icelandair, BA, and Aer Lingus non-stop to Europe. PHL might be another option...there's US, AF, LH, and BA there.

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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:56 pm

holy carp the taxes and fees are high into LHR. Got a seat on BA228/229 priced out and I can't believe the fees.

Outbound Flight

Wed, May 11
8:55pm Depart - Baltimore Wash, DC (BWI) Airline Logo British Airways 228 Adult Fare Rules
Thu, May 12
9:05am Arrive - London Heathrow, UK (LHR) Nonstop
Total Travel Time: 7 hrs 10 min
Return Flight

Tue, May 31
1:05pm Depart - London Heathrow, UK (LHR) Airline Logo British Airways 229 Adult Fare Rules
4:00pm Arrive - Baltimore Wash, DC (BWI) Nonstop
Total Travel Time: 7 hrs 55 min

This would be a longer trip, but who cares, so far so good...then comes the damage.


1 adult = $ 338.00
Taxes and Fees = $ 155.25
Service Fee = $ 5.00
Total Price = $ 498.25

The fees are like 50% of the base fare! ugh!
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:06 pm

The schedules to PHL on WN from AUS pretty much suck. One flight that leaves at 8:45, transfers in HOU and gets into PHL at 2:10 but the others go through freaking MCO and arrive after 10pm.

BWI looks like a far better option, as there are non-stops that would fit well into the above schedule. Both the one mentioned above into BWI and a return leaving BWI for AUS at 6:45 which would give me 2 hours 45 minutes to clear customs and make my WN flight. I think I'm going to book the BA flight to LHR.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:07 pm

Someone mentioned Icelandair out of BWI. I think that would be an interesting and fun way to get to Europe. You should at least check out the times and fares to see how it all compares.

Now...if we could just get ATA to operate BWI-London/Stansted with a WN codeshare.
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:18 pm

I went ahead and booked the BA flight at $493+5 booking fee.

I checked MCO-LGW, and the cheapest I could find was 564 on Virgin. (419 base+145 fees as well). PHL was not really an option as detailed in the last post. Icelandair was an interesting option for about but in the end I couldn't pass up the non-stop since I'm already going to be transferring airlines at BWI. Plus I have never been on the 777. I have been on the 747(SP), 767, DC-10, L1011 and A330 widebodies before but not the 777. As I'm a fan of the spacious 9 across of the DC-10 and L1011, I'm sure I'll like the 777.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:33 pm

Oh btw can I get AA miles on BA for this flight?
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:24 pm

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 18):
Oh btw can I get AA miles on BA for this flight?

ttt
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:28 am

Unfortunately, due to the genius of our US and European antitrust regulators, you won't get AAdvantage miles for this BA flight. Essentially, you can get AAdvantage miles for all BA flights except transatlantics.

To me, it's blatant discrimination -- nothing stops anyone from getting UA miles on LH transatlantic flights, NW miles on KLM flights, or DL miles on AF flights.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:41 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 20):
Unfortunately, due to the genius of our US and European antitrust regulators, you won't get AAdvantage miles for this BA flight. Essentially, you can get AAdvantage miles for all BA flights except transatlantics.

To me, it's blatant discrimination -- nothing stops anyone from getting UA miles on LH transatlantic flights, NW miles on KLM flights, or DL miles on AF flights.

When more carriers get LHR, you will get AA miles flying BA over the ocean.
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:51 am

I guess I can't earn miles on any US based carrier for this trip...that sucks. I could have gotten NW miles on my CO $651 AUS-IAH-LGW trip. I have 23K NW miles. Oh well.
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:14 am

Don't listen too much to some of the folks who complain about the LIRR here. I'm a Conductor for the RR, and I can tell you that it's the quickest and most reliable way to get to ISP. I looked into seeing how much a cab would charge me to go from my home which is 5 minutes from JFK to ISP. The charge was around $60-65.00!! That would be more than what I paid to fly on SWA to FLL! If you are leaving Jamaica to ISP, do yourself a favor and buy the tickets before boarding. The price from Jamaica to Ronkonkoma is $7.25 off-peak hours and $10.00 peak. If you buy it aboard it will cost $5.00 more from the original price. the ride is about an hour from Jamaica, and it will cost $5.00 from the station to the terminal on either taxi or shuttle bus.
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:12 am

You can get AA miles on BA JFK-MAN, you can also book it as an AA codeshare.

Brons2
You think those taxes are bad. I'm flying JFK-MAN on LH tomorrow (subject to availability) for $149 plus taxes and surcharges of $210 Sad $80 of which is a fuel surcharge levied by LH.
 
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RE: ISP-JFK Transfer Time Via Lirr

Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:01 am

Mark777300-

I know i"m gonna get flamed for going off topic for a second  flamed 

Is Belt Buckle Bob still on the rails?

how awesome is it we have an Assistant Conductor on here!

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