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Flts From CAI: What Are Top 5 In Terms Of Loads...

Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:33 pm

What are, say, the top 5 Middle Eastern and the top 5 African destinations from CAI, in terms of loads but also high prices - for O&D traffic?

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RE: Flts From CAI: What Are Top 5 In Terms Of Loads...

Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:06 pm

Loads are obviously private information, so nobody would know every airline's loads. Not to say several a.netters won't claim to know such things so they can feel like the smart teenagers they are.

Average fare prices for O&D markets are available inside the US, but I am guessing that info is unavailable for Egypt - since it is basically private also.
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RE: Flts From CAI: What Are Top 5 In Terms Of Loads...

Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:24 pm

Indeed, by people might have comprehensive experience of flying CAI-XYZ-CAI and can give load and price info. based on that. Not conclusive, of course, but an insight nonetheless.
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RE: Flts From CAI: What Are Top 5 In Terms Of Load

Sat Mar 12, 2005 5:48 am

Well as Supa7e7 pointed out such information is not publicly available in Egypt.

I would say the top 5 Middle Eastern destinations from CAI are:
1. JED
2. KWI
3. RUH
4. AUH
5. DXB

Almost all traffic is O&D on these routes (with the exception of DXB)

As for African destinations (not including domestic flights) the top 3 would be:
1. KRT
2. TIP
3. CAS

Now these figures are not based on any official information as such, but on the number of flights between each city and CAI.


As for airfares and loads, the intra-Arab market (in general) is still quite closed up (compared to say the EU) and restricted by bi-lateral agreements. As a result frequencies tend to be capped and rarely satisfy the real demand on the market. That way the airlines charge ridiculously high prices on their routes and loads tend to be quite high. It is not secret that local airlines make most of the profits on intra-Arab flights compared to their other intercontinental markets.


Stats from 2002 show the following geographical distribution of seats out of CAI:
Africa (inclu Egypt domestic): 26.5%
Europe: 30.9%
Middle East: 39.7%
North America: 1.3%
Asia / Pacific: 1.6%
(source: CAI's website)

BTW, Pe@rson does this mean you're planning to take a regional flight when in CAI?

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Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:10 am

Thanks H.

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Pe@rson does this mean you're planning to take a regional flight when in CAI?

Nah, only staying in CAI, although will go to Alexandria (again) for the day. But I won't be flying: I'll go by coach, which will cost about £1.50 one-way and take about 2.5 hours.  Big grin

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Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:27 pm

The London, Athen and Paris routes should go well from Egypt !!!
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):

Nah, only staying in CAI, although will go to Alexandria (again) for the day. But I won't be flying: I'll go by coach, which will cost about £1.50 one-way and take about 2.5 hours.

Cool, I guess that means you're taking the 'Superjet' coach service, but remember they usually have a stewardess on board who will come around trying to sell you overpriced snacks and beverages (a bit like FR  Wink). As for Alex, I guess you know what the 'must see' places are like the 'Korneesh' (beach front).

Quoting Ts-ior (Reply 5):
The London, Athen and Paris routes should go well from Egypt !!!

Yeah when it comes to European destinations, MXP, LHR, FRA and PAR are the top destinations.


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RE: Flts From CAI: What Are Top 5 In Terms Of Loads...

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:33 am

Yep, Superjet. They have good coaches and are very cheap (for a Westerner, at least).

I have been to ALY before; it's a good place to relax and wander about.

I'm looking forward to my trip. The only downside, as ever, is having to wait. But then patience is, as they say, a virtue.
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RE: Flts From CAI: What Are Top 5 In Terms Of Load

Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:00 am

Yeah I used to use the Superjet, before I 'discovered' Egyptair's flights between CAI and ALY. But the Superjet is pretty good; the seats are comfy, you have 'on-board' service in the form of stewards and its air conditioned. As for entertainment they usually show the latest Arabic movies.

As for Alex, you're going at a pretty good time of the year before the busy July/August period when it seems the entire population of Egypt and the Gulf are there.

Have a great time there mate and feel free to email me if you need any info!

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Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:04 am

Thanks, H.

I cheapest flights on MS from CAI to ALY back to CAI I have found are about £46, including tax. It must take only 25-30 minutes each way. They don't seem to be that well timed, in that it wouldn't be a good idea for a day trip.

Anyway, the coach will only cost 2 GBP each way and only take 2.5 hours each way, so no point flying.
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:11 am

Yeah but if you're Egyptian a return ticket costs around £15  Wink. Each time I've booked that ticket at their office they've always tried to charge me the 'non-Egyptian' price because they assume I'm 'full' English so I end up trying to convince them that I'm half Egyptian...and it works 9 times out of ten. And yeah the CAI-ALY flight lasts 30-35 minutes and ALY-CAI around 40-45 minutes.

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