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BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:02 am

Hey, I was just messing around with flight tracker and found this:

BAW294:
City: Houston Bush, TX (IAH) to Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD)
Scheduled: Mar 12 - 5:35pm arrival Mar 12 - 7:55pm
Actual: Mar 12 - Not Available Mar 12 - 11:00am*

Connecting to

City: Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD) London Heathrow, UK (LHR)
Scheduled: Mar 12 - 9:20pm Mar 13 - 11:00am
Actual: Mar 12 - 9:20pm* Mar 13 - Contact Airline

What is this all about? Is it a codeshare with AA perhaps? I didn't know AA flew a 777 from IAH to ORD.

Perhaps someone here can shine some light on this....

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Mike
 
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:06 am

I'm sure someone will know better than I, but from what I understand, DFW is one of the cities that cannot have service to LHR or can only have service to LGW. So that plane actually serves DFW-LHR, but stops at ORD first. And it's on a BA plane, not AA.
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:06 am

That is a standard scheduled BA flight. Each and every day as far as I know!
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gigneil
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:09 am

Luv, we're talking about IAH not DFW here, but your explanation is correct nonetheless.

The plane routes IAH-ORD-LHR to connect oil executives onward to LHR only flights.

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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:09 am

Yeah if youve ever been to ORD T5 arrivals you see signs for BA to Houston... thats because since BA clears customs in Chicago and continues to Houston... Houston cannot have LHR service since both BA and CO operate to LGW... mostly CO cannot fly to LHR, so BA has to stick with LGW, however as far as i know the largest users of the BA IAH-ORD-LHR flight are people in the oil industry connecting to Lagos and beyond... i dont know how this route will keep up once CO makes it possible to fly IAH-EWR-LOS

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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:15 am

Thank guys.

Wow, i never knew we had a domestic BA 777 flight! Sweet!


Thanks again,
Regards,
Mike
 
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:17 am

Well, you can't board it in ORD and fly it to IAH, or vice versa.

Only through passengers from/to LHR or beyond.

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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:21 am

BA has been flying this route for a while. BA 295 arrives ORD from LHR around 11:30am every day, always a 777. Then, its a continuation from ORD, as BA 295 flies ORD-IAH, departing around 1:30pm-ish. (There are two other BA LHR-ORD flights per day, BA 297 & BA 299, both currently 777's. 744's are used, I think on 297, during peak seasons.)

AA has a two or three(?) flights ORD-LHR on 777's throughout the day. At least one AA 777 flies DFW-ORD for connections, besides all the other numourous AA DFW-ORD flights.

These are the threads I found after a quick search. Hope it helps!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1766891/4/

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eral_aviation/read.main/1152639/4/
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:26 am

As Gigneli correctly stated this is not a domestic flight. As IAH is not a part of the Bermuda II agreement, no carriers are not allowed a N/S flight to LHR from IAH. When BA statred IAH/LHR flights some years back the original routing was via IAD and shortly after was switched to ORD. Back in the 80s, PA had a similar flight operating IAH/JFK/LHR utilizing a 741, in addition to their L105 N/S service to LGW.

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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 7):

AA has a two or three(?) flights ORD-LHR on 777's throughout the day. At least one AA 777 flies DFW-ORD for connections, besides all the other numourous AA DFW-ORD flights.

AA flies ORD-LHR 4x daily during the winter, 5x during the summer. AA 66/67 is the flight that goes DFW-ORD-LHR.
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:35 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 8):
As IAH is not a part of the Bermuda II agreement, no carriers are not allowed a N/S flight to LHR from IAH.

That would mean every carrier is allowed to fly LHR-IAH (no carriers are not allowed). Technically, if there was no other carrier on the route (CO), then BA could fly to LHR even though it is not a Heathrow gateway airport. This is why PHX is able to have LHR service.
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:47 am

Its not quite that simple, but its clear that Houston can support the passenger traffic necessary to meet the requirements for BA to fly LHR.

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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:05 am

Point taken, N1120A. I have heard this argument for many years and perhaps you are correct. If IAH were in a similar position to that of PHX and no carrier were operating a Houston-London flight, I suppose a N/S flight to LHR would be possible.

That said I'll defer to those that are far more familiar to B2 to comment further. As Gineil said Houston can definetly support this service and with BA adding another flight April 4th per the IAH Spotters Club's home page http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iahspottersclub/ making for a total of 20x weekly flights via BA, it would seem that BA is doing very well in this market.


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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:29 am

This makes sense, and answers the question I had when I was flying out of ORD and saw a BA T7 take off at around mid day, much too early for their evening departures to LHR.
 
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:57 am

Part of SIlly Bermuda II Soon to be scapped by EU...

BA and fly to LHR unless the other carrier does so you have PHX-LHR BA Alone
ORD-LHR BA UA AA IAH CO is "Locked out" of LHR so BA must also fly the route to LGW...so the IAH-ORD-LHR is a way around it...

LGW is a good airport for UK Pax (Better Parking ect..) but there are no onward connections so LHR is the Airport Americans prefer..

But this has worked out well for CO to bypass LHR and fly to SNN,DUB.BFS,DEI,GLA,MAN,BHX and those folks HATE to transit LHR

of course I think the Euro Govt will have to allow some LHR flights in exchange for what they want

CO has wanted to fly to LHR many years before Airlines (and Countries) like Latvia existed BT RIX-LHR and EK were somehow found room at LHR for them
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:58 pm

Unlike the IAH-ORD-LHR BA flight, you can get off the DFW-ORD-LHR AA flight because, obviously, AA has the rights to fly DFW-ORD, while BA does not have the right to sell tickets just for IAH-ORD.

Incidentally, if you wish to fly DFW-ORD, avoid the AA 777 Flight 66 that indeed continues to LHR. This flight is packed with thru travelers to the U.K. and is one of the most delayed flights in AA's system. Its on-time record is bad.
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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:27 am

Didn't Continental fly IAH-IAD-LHR for a time, along with the couple of dailies IAH-LGW

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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:44 am

Lt-AWACS,

No, unfotunately CO has never had the rights to fly into LHR. BA's flight from IAH to LHR did however used to stop at IAD before continuing on. That was very short-lived as about 9 months later it changed to the current IAH-ORD-LHR routing.


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RE: BA 777-200 IAH-ORD?!

Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:54 am

ah that must have been it, I vaguely remember talking to some friends that had flown through IAD at somepoint. I guess CO routes all of their traffic through Virgin. Thanks.

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