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AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:15 am

Does anyone know for how long have AA had their present livery?? I really think they should consider something new.
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:37 am

Although their livery seems to have been around forever I do like it - no 777 looks as good as theirs. All silver with the sun shining off it - cant beat it. Could change the eagle though - make it less rigid not get rid of it
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:09 am

I think they should keep it as it is. It's very light and efficient, bare metal and decals. Very little actual paint. A new livery would undoubtedly have more paint on it, which means heavier aircraft, which means more fuel burn, which means increased cost. It's a classic livery, just leave it as it is.
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:19 am

AA's planes look flying toasters. Hopefully, as more and more composites are being used in planes AA will be forced to come up with a new livery. Although this won't happen for years.
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:23 am

I hope that if they ever do update their livery, it'll look like what I found modified airliner photos

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00000894

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00000316
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:27 am

In the late 1960s, American commissioned an industrial designer to develop a new livery. The original design called for a red, white, and blue stripe on each aircraft's fuselage, and a simple "AA" logo, sans eagle, on the tail. However, American's employees revolted when the livery was made public, and launched a "Save the Eagle" campaign similar to the "Save the Flying Red Horse" campaign at Mobil. Eventually, the designer caved in and created a highly stylized eagle, dubbed "the bug," which remains the company's logo to this day.

For many years, American was the only major U.S. airline that left the majority of its aircraft surfaces unpainted. Originally, this was because C. R. Smith hated painted aircraft, and refused to use any liveries that involved painting the entire plane. Crandall later justified the bare-metal design by noting that less paint reduced the aircraft's weight, thus saving on fuel costs.

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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:28 am

AA's livery is a classic. It'd be a huge mistake to change it only because it's been around for many years. Just take a look to new MX's livery to realize the risks of changing a livery for the sake of it.
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:00 am

I agree, they SERIOUSLY need a new livery. That aluminum thing is ancient!
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:46 am

Hell yeah! Wings are ancient too! Time for those classic abominations to go!  hyper 

I love their scheme. Personal preference...it's age in years has nothing to do with it.
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting AirWales (Reply 2):
Although their livery seems to have been around forever I do like it - no 777 looks as good as theirs.

Except for the KLM's
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:20 am

My opinion is that AA has the most cost effective livery. Whether or not it is the best I will not say but it has to be by far one of the easiest and least expensive to maintain.
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:24 am

AA's livery has been around for 30+ years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Leave it alone. Regards.
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:27 am

!968 was the year AA started to re paint planes from the lightning bolt scheme of the 30's. The BAC 1-11's were NOT painted in the three stripe scheme.
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:39 am

I think it looks awesome. I havent seen one livery that I think looks better...ie, proposed liveries for AA. Its a classic. I love it when they are freshly cleaned, and shiny, and you can see all the surrounding things reflected in the metal.

What other livery lets you have awesome pics like this?





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Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:20 am

It might be a classic though it could be updated and brought into the 21st century.
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 8):
I agree, they SERIOUSLY need a new livery. That aluminum thing is ancient!

As a former employee who was around when the livery was changed, I can only tell you that the current livery is a classic and it is beautiful. Yes, I was one who campaigned to keep the eagle and the new livery with the eagle is perfect. So why change it for the sake of changing? It is one of the most recognized brands on earth. Besides, we are talking a thousand planes here including Eagle. I think American has far better things to worry about than finding a new livery. Geez, you want to change the American flag too?
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:53 am

AA livery is awesome

Any idea on how much weight they actually save by not painting it?
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting AirWales (Reply 2):
no 777 looks as good as theirs

I dunno.. the UA 777 in the new UA livery looks pretty snappy!


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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:20 am

Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 18):
I dunno.. the UA 777 in the new UA livery looks pretty snappy!

Ick. I was not happy when UA came out with the new livery, for two reasons: blue, and white. I am so sick of blue and white. Even my favorite airline is blue and white.

It seems like every airline you fly now has blue interiors. I think you could blindfold me, walk me into a plane, and I couldn't tell you whose it was because they are all blue. I remember flying a new CO 737 in spring 1989, and I seem to recall it had a brown leather interior. I'd give anything to have that brown leather interior back. How about some red, or green? Personally, I like the song interiors. ANYTHING BUT MORE FREAKIN' BLUE AND WHITE!!!!

Amerian has long been my favorite exterior livery. Something about early memories. And those American livery sketches linked earlier in this thread: I hope they NEVER use those. Yawn...
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:31 am

Does American have IFE in Domestic 767 economy section? (a bit off-topic, i know)
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:34 am

The only change I would like to see AA make on their current fleet is the use of silver paint on composite parts instead of gray. Also, when they get around to ordering the 787 (come on does anyone think they are not going to eventually) that they also use silver to protect the composite and especially not use gray or white.

Quoting Rj111 (Reply 17):
Any idea on how much weight they actually save by not painting it?

Here's a table showing how much a full paint job, upper half only, and polished with airline markings weighs on various Boeing aircraft:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...gazine/aero_05/fo/fo01/table1.html
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:30 pm

I agree with Ha763, until an aircraft with composite fuselage comes into AA's fleet, they will keep the bare metal colors.
Personnally, I think there's nothing wrong with the current livery. Except for at times it's really hard to read the regs off the aircraft or prints/slides.
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:21 pm

In addition to being simple and cost-effective, AA has a brand we can easily recognize and relate to. On the contrary, think about how many times Delta has changed their livery.

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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:44 pm

Nothing needs to be changed to their livery, it is the classic, personally I love boarding an aircraft that is silver metal brings me back to the old days when all aircraft were bare metal, and the classiness and ambiance of the era that no longer exists inside the tube, at least the exterior still emanates the classiness of that era, let's hope what goes around comes around and pax will soon remember they are boarding an "Aircraft" and not just subway train to dogpatch! Which is the way most Americans now dress on flights. American has stuck to tradition and kept the beautiful bare metal, this shows the pax from the get go it is an aircraft, not a painted billboard or a colorful float they are on to fly from destination to destination. We need more metal across the board, what's the old saying, "what's old becomes new again!" the airline fashion of bare metal is back in style, others should take notice, this is only my opinion, but I think it's great.
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:38 pm

Noop, let's not change our classic silverbirds, the silver rules! And I bet a lot of you will agree with me. Right?

Maybe they can make small adjustments, just like KLM did, but they should stick to their colorscheme and NOT change the AA logo!

ContnlEliteCMH,
I agree. I have no idea why UA had to change their livery so soon. Last week I saw a 'new' 763 at Amsterdam and went "eeeewww, what's that?!". Maybe it's not that bad, but it's not a distinctive identity.
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:40 pm

Why aren't any of the Eagle or Connection planes painted or rather not painted like the mainline fleet?
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:41 pm

Quoting Matt27 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know for how long have AA had their present livery?? I really think they should consider something new.

Oh please...WHY???  Wink
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:51 pm

Quoting Airgeek12 (Reply 7):
I agree, they SERIOUSLY need a new livery. That aluminum thing is ancient!

Sorry..but I SERIOUSLY disagree !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it just me, or do most of the "new" liveries look dull and boring???
Yes there are some exceptions...still...!!

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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:10 pm

I for one like AA's livery, and I think many Americans -- not just aviation buffs -- could point out an American jet sans titles with almost no effort.

My only gripe is that it looks like a fair number of the AA birds that I see need to have the exterior cleaned more often*. I know with fleet utilizations and the current airline economy that's not necessarially going to happen, but...

When they're clean they look absolutely awesome especially with the sun glinting off of them, the reflection of stuff around them, however, once they collect whatever it is they collect (smog? dust? dirt?) you end up with something that just looks old (no matter what the actual age of the aircraft is), dull, and you want to talk about boarding a subway car? (ok, maybe not quite THAT bad, but getting close).

I love it when the clean(er) AA MD-80s take off from LGB / KLGB), USA - California">LGB over my dad's place-- I can't quite put my finger on it, but they look different/special/great, and I notice them. I just like it, on the other hand, when the not-as-clean AA MD-80s take off from LGB / KLGB), USA - California">LGB over my dad's place-- they somehow aren't as special and just kind of get mixed in with the flock of Mesa CRJs and jetBlue A320s.

Anyone who knows me knows the cleanliness isn't my strong suit, but for some reason it bugs me with AA [Edit: Come to think of it, anything that's mirrored/silver/stainless].

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* and certainly more often than those using paint-based liveries, but I imagine they already fo that.

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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:10 pm

New liveries? I guess some did okay, NW, CX, CO, JL.
But UA? Please!!!!
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:48 pm

the livery may seem dated. but american's aircraft are the most beautiful in the air.
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:19 pm

I feel AA is, for the lack of a better term or comparison, the USA's "state" airline. The gleaming aluminum accented in a simple red, white, and blue stripe denotes power, elegance, and timelessness....like our country. Leave well enough alone.

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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:11 pm

The bare look is okay...but some change is needed. I said in a thread a week or two ago, just bring back the retro look to the entire fleet which encompasses just a few changes, mostly to the stripes.
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:23 pm

I agree AAs livery is a classic. And I don't see a need to change it just for the sake of changing it.

That said, I agree with FA4B6 here . . . the fictional AA livery in Modified Airliner Photos is very sharp. Especially the AA Eagle on the tail . . . .

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 4):
I hope that if they ever do update their livery, it'll look like what I found modified airliner photos

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00000894

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...00316
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:48 pm

Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 32):
The bare look is okay...but some change is needed. I said in a thread a week or two ago, just bring back the retro look to the entire fleet which encompasses just a few changes, mostly to the stripes.

Yes...the Astroliner (?) colours were among the most beautiful around!!!!

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
That said, I agree with FA4B6 here . . . the fictional AA livery in Modified Airliner Photos is very sharp. Especially the AA Eagle on the tail . . . .

Doesn't it look too much like Aeroflot???

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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:52 pm

Quoting Bully707 (Reply 34):
Doesn't it look too much like Aeroflot???

Nope, I don't think so - not at all . . .


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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:16 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
Nope, I don't think so - not at all . . .

I just compared the fotos...and you're probably right...!!

Never the less....leave AA's c/s untouched !!! Please....!!!  Wink


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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting Jfkaua (Reply 9):
Quoting AirWales (Reply 2):
Although their livery seems to have been around forever I do like it - no 777 looks as good as theirs.

CO's 777 looks good and so does Singapore 50th, though that is been revised since it has been some time ago.
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 9:42 pm

The American scheme is classic, beautiful and stands the test of time and needs no changing. The "AA" has flown the skies since October 1968 and is
a benchmark of how good a logo can endure thur the ages. I love the cheatlines with the bare aluminum fuselage, it screams "America!" all we need is Kate Smith standing on the wing singing "God Bless America".. or "We're American Airlines, Something special in the air"...
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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:00 pm

If somethings not broken don't fix it!!!
It looks good, its cost effective, why change it for changings sake??? - look at BA and its world tails and for those of you in the UK the whole Coco Pops to Choco Crispies thing. When you change something for the sake of changing it causes problems!
Also in a time when airlines are trying to save money why should AA spend their money on designing a new livery and then have to pay millions to repaint its fleet when they have a perfectly adequate one at the moment - its just common sense - if you want to save money then don't spend it on unnecesarry things!
 
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Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:35 pm

If AA were to change its logo and put white paint on their planes, C.R. Smith would come back from the dead.

Twice in its past they painted a airplane with a white fuselage,
they had all kinds of data showing how it would be cooler inside. C.R. Looked at it said I don't like it. Take the white off.

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RE: AA Livery?

Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:41 pm

I don't like the AA livery. It's too outdated. Give me the new OS livery anytime. I think AA Should change it soon. As an idea, I think they should take the eagle above the AA sybol and put the eagle as the design on the tail.


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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:37 am

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 2):
A new livery would undoubtedly have more paint on it, which means heavier aircraft, which means more fuel burn, which means increased cost

They are painted- with a clear coat to provide corrosion protection.
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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 18):
t seems like every airline you fly now has blue interiors. I think you could blindfold me, walk me into a plane, and I couldn't tell you whose it was because they are all blue. I remember flying a new CO 737 in spring 1989, and I seem to recall it had a brown leather interior. I'd give anything to have that brown leather interior back. How about some red, or green? Personally, I like the song interiors. ANYTHING BUT MORE FREAKIN' BLUE AND WHITE!!!!

Actually since the colors of the American flag are red, white and blue that might be the reason most American carriers opt to go with those colors for their exteriors. Let's see now, AA, CO, DL, NW, UA and US all use at least one of those. Even some LCCs do. WN, for one, decided to add Canyon blue to their livery too, a vast improvement.

Airlines from Muslim countries are fond of green. Then there are the many Eurowhite carriers. BA and SU, both go with red white and blue for the same reason American carriers do, their flags. Yes, like AA, SU prefers silver to white, but the white is on the tail.

So far as interiors are concerned, blue is a cool, restful and beautiful color and I am particularly fond of navy. I hate brown interiors but dark grey would look just about as nice as blue and so would a combination of both. Besides, if I'm not mistaken, most men in particular pick blue as their favorite color. Guess who runs the airlines?
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:09 am

AA's current livery has in use since 1969. I quite agree Matt 27, time for a new color-scheme.
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting ARCJET (Reply 38):
"God Bless America".. or "We're American Airlines, Something special in the air"...

I really think American should bring back the "We're American Airlines"/"doing what we do best" jingle/ad campaign... It's classic, it sounds good, and it is a whole heck of a lot less creepy than the current "We know why you fly" campaign -- I don't WANT my airline knowing more about my life than they have to, and that includes why I'm flying.

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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:29 am

Quoting Infiniti757 (Reply 25):
Why aren't any of the Eagle or Connection planes painted or rather not painted like the mainline fleet?

I think the Eagle/Connection aircraft are painted white because the regional aircraft use alot more composite parts than the mainline craft. Or at least that, on the regionals, the same parts are composite, but with it being so much smaller than a mainline jet, these parts are more 'prominent' and thus there would be more significant patches of gray paint.

The same goes for if you look at the old NW 'Orient' scheme, and how it was applied to the Airlink carriers of the time. Where NW had bare metal on the top and bottom of their fuselage, the Airlinks were painted gray. Another good example is USAir and USAir Express. USAir was bare metal, USAir Express was white.

::back on topic::

As for AA's scheme, I like it. I suppose it could use a subtle update to keep it fresh. What I would do is just take the RWB stripe, and give it a lightning bolt effect, so it sort of hinted to the retro livery. The typeface would likely be modified a touch as well, just for a slight freshening. No radical changes.
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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:10 am

AA's livery is timeless and looks great on all aircraft. Its a symbol. But we'll have to see with all the composite aircraft comign out. MAybe a more chrome-like paint than the one on the A300's tail section
 
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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting UAcsOKC (Reply 42):
They are painted- with a clear coat to provide corrosion protection.

They are certainly NOT painted. There is a clear coat on top of polished metal.

Quoting StarCruiser (Reply 43):
Even some LCCs do. WN, for one, decided to add Canyon blue to their livery too, a vast improvement.

I believe WN's livery was inspired by the blue sky, not the US flag.
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RE: AA Livery?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:36 am

Every time I see those AA T7's landing at DFW I am still in awe. An absolute classic livery, and I will be sad if they ever change it. How could you really improve upon it?

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