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Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:56 am

This article says Jet has decided to change from Brussels to Pairs as its stop over point for its flights to the New York.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1050449.cms
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:10 am

Well, ET, like the other Times publications, have become little more than sensationalist rags. They don't even do their research properly: "Air France and Air-India already offer flights to the US through the French capital. " and forgot all about Delta.

Still, AI aren't about to get to 5 daily flights through Paris anytime soon, so it could work out for Jet.

Though Bombay-Brussels might have okay O&D with the diamond people, Paris is always a better bet, I think.
 
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:22 am

With all this expansion and activity coming from Indian carriers, what are the Middle Eastern carriers (EK, Etihad, Gulf Air, etc) up to? Or is the UK/US to India pie just getting larger so that everyone gets a slice?
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:24 am

Will that be Orly or CDG and EWR or JFK?

I think going Via Paris will have more of a demand rather than flying Via Brussels!


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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:26 am

I would love to see Jet join SkyTeam. They have a partnership with NW historically. With moving this operation to CDG, I wonder if membership is being considered?
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:28 am

Amazing--all of a sudden CDG seems to be emerging like the "new FRA hub" of flights to and from India.

DL--14 weekly when MAA starts
AF--21 weekly when BLR starts
AI--07 weekly soon to be.....
and now 9W joins the race

BRU would not have been a bad idea as stated above, however I still say AMS would have been a better option, considering their alliance with KLM/NW.

How many flights are there daily on the CDG--NYC sector and who operates them??
 
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:32 am

This makes USA- BRU- BOM seem even more logical for AA. There is nobody on that route, and they have a codeshare partner with good connections to Europe and Africa.

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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 5):
How many flights are there daily on the CDG--NYC sector and who operates them??

(Pax flights only)

JFK

AF: 4x daily, 3x daily some days
DL: 2x
AA: 2x (not sure if it is 14x weekly)

EWR
AF: 1x
CO: 2x
AI: 1
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting AA787 (Reply 6):
This makes USA- BRU- BOM seem even more logical for AA.

AA don't seem to be adventurous enough to move out of the Americas, western Europe and a bit of the Far East. If they do come out of their shell, and if they can manage it, USA-LHR-BOM would also make for a good routing.
 
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:50 am

Jet Airways has posted their NYC job openings in today's local paper... if anyone cares.
 
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:08 am

Where is 9W flying to? JFK or EWR. EWR shall be in direct competition to AI's cash cow flight.

fail to understand why newspaper keep on referring to YUL as a possible destination!!

In my opinion it does make sense to fly via CDG than BRU, even though there may be 3 players already.

After FRA & CDG, AMS should be the next to open up on the western side and HKG on east.

Of all american airlines, I'd say AA shall be the last to enter. UA at least makes noises, AA doesn't even do that.
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:36 pm

Jet plans more US links
Jet Airways plans to operate flights to Chicago and San Francisco via Paris even as it negotiates with Continental Airlines and United Airlines for a tie-up.

"We shall be starting flights from Mumbai to New York in two months time but on the long term are looking at operating flights to Chicago, San Fransisco and Houston or Dallas", Jet CEO Woolfgang Prock-Schauer said.

Jet has tied up with South African Airways for taking on lease three Airbus 340 for operating direct flights to London from next month, he said on sidelines of the listing at the National Stock Exchange.

"We are looking for more aircraft, either A340 or Boeing 777s for operations via Paris instead of Brussels" by winter, he said. "We are also talking to Continental and United for a tie-up in the US", said the CEO.

Jet Chairman Naresh Goyal said, "We are carrying out studies for long haul aircraft and come up with a firm plan shortly. Both Airbus (A340s) and Boeing (777s and 787s) are in the race for the fleet plan.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1278674,0002.htm

this is a lot of meat, has answered so many of our questions...
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:24 am

An A340E of SAA in 9W colours with SAAs new J and Y class products and IFE and with Jet Airways service standards--This route just got highly competitive.

BA, AI, and new entrants BMI and VS will have to pull up their socks.

I think VS should consider bringing their A346 which has a great product on all 3 services rather than just the inaugral flight.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 11):
operating flights to Chicago, San Fransisco and Houston or Dallas



Quoting Aseem (Reply 11):
We are also talking to Continental and United for a tie-up in the US

Those are the same cities AI was looking to expand into.

Keeping their tie up with NW/KLM and now CO for a future venture--would not it be better to join SKY AllIANCE-----what are the onditions they need to fulfill
 
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:31 am

Good chance that 9W will use Etihad sim and training in the short term.
 
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:39 am

what is surprising me is that 9W is creating buzz about SFO/ORD/IAD/IAH even before AI. We were made to believe that those routes are being opened up for AI. Is there any point in both AI and 9W going to these destination? Is there enough load factor to cater to two airlines?
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 14):
what is surprising me is that 9W is creating buzz about SFO/ORD/IAD/IAH even before AI

No, AI has always being buzzing but unable to do, due to reasons we all know..

I agree with Karan that AMS would have been a better option.. why competing with AI's NYC in this question, when it could be much easier..? Then, FRA or even MUC would have been an option, too (Germany, having 80 Mio people has a great demand)
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:06 am

Munich (MUC) is a great option for Jet Airways.
 
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting Flymunich (Reply 16):
Munich (MUC) is a great option for Jet Airways.

It would be, if they had any chance of tying up with LH for onward connections. But given the LH/AI tie up, that may be unlikely?

On another note, why did 9W select BRU in the first place when there were more "suitable" hubs like AMS/CDG (keeping in mind their tie ups with KLM/NW)? And what was the trigger for them to change to CDG at this stage?
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RE: Jet To Start Paris Instead Of Brussels

Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:37 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 17):
And what was the trigger for them to change to CDG at this stage?

revised bilateral between India and France allowing more slots and fifth freedom facility. Moreover France-US load factor should be higher than Belgium-US.
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