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Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:52 pm

Im am going to be flying:

Britannia/Thomson
LGW - SSH
3 Apr 05
BY770A

Britannia/Thomson
SSH - LGW
10 Apr 05
BY770B

What aircraft is going to be used on these routes?

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Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:00 pm

If you mean the registration, it won't be easy to guess due to different considerations; delays, acft availability,...
 
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:06 pm

B742, it will be on a B767-300 both ways

Its been operated by G-OBYG for the last few weeks so it could be this aircraft.


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Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:09 pm

Thanks Horus and Ts-ior!

Any idea on what config; 315 or 328?


Also is SSH any good for spotting?


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Seeing this wide space surrounding the airport, the buildings and the sea, i think that spotting won't be so difficult there. Almost all European charter airlines fly to SSH and i think that Thursday and Sunday are busy days there.
 
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:46 pm

Rob,

I'm not too sure about configuration, but since they offer Premium Class on their SSH flights I'm assuming it'll be the 315 seater.


As for spotting, at the airport there are no dedicated viewing areas as such but when you get bussed to/from the terminal to plane you get excellent opportunities for photography. And even though there's an obvious military presence they allow photography. When I was there a few years ago I remember there was an LTU A333 and AZ MD-11 on the apron and I asked this security guy if I can take a photo and he actually escorted me closer to the planes to get good photos.

As for photography from the resort itself, when aircraft are landing on runway 4L you get very good views from Na'ama Bay (the resort centre).



Here are a few pics from when I was there:

View from apron
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/2797/p10100474xc.jpg

http://img97.exs.cx/img97/7361/p10100790em.jpg

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http://i154.exs.cx/img154/6370/p10100860xh.jpg

Arrivals Area
http://img225.exs.cx/img225/4976/p10100510ed.jpg

View of the terminal. On the right is the departure area. The building on the left is the new 'Air Mall' which hasn't opened yet (by the summer)
http://img157.exs.cx/img157/6846/p10100709qo.jpg

If you have time to spare when you're at the airport, you can exit the terminal, turn left and walk till the end of the building and then turn left and you usually get decent views of landing/departing aircraft as well as aircraft on the apron but you do have that fence in the way. This is a picture of one of Mr H. Mubarak's (Egyptian President's) Gulfstreams. He's a frequent visitor.
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Departure Area
http://img192.exs.cx/img192/5850/p10100731pw.jpg

View from terminal
http://img192.exs.cx/img192/9127/p10100754eh.jpg



VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: When getting your seats allocated make sure you sit on the RIGHT side of the aircraft as you get great view of the resort and coastline as you approach SSH.


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Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:52 pm

Thanks Horus you've been a great help, I can't wait to go there now!

SSH is slight improvement on Taba!


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Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:04 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
Thanks Horus you've been a great help, I can't wait to go there now!

No problem!

Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
SSH is slight improvement on Taba!

I guess that means you've been to TCP? Well TCP was originally a military airport and was only 'transformed' to a civilian airport very recently so it does lack some facilites taken for granted at more developed airports. CAI, SSH, HRG and LXR are all being rennovated to bring them upto to scratch but as far as I know there are no plans for TCP.

SSH is getting a second terminal. You'll notice the work being done on the $90million terminal when you're there.


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Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:13 pm

Year I've been to TCP, not exactly the best airport in the world is it!

Does SSH have any Gates or do you board via the stairs on the apron?

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Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:27 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
Does SSH have any Gates or do you board via the stairs on the apron?

You get bussed to/from the terminal and then board the aircraft via stairs:

http://img180.exs.cx/img180/4696/p10100468bc.jpg
View from window after arriving at SSH from Cairo on an Egyptair A320

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View from the bus of our aircraft



But like I said getting bussed around does provide excellent opportunities for photograhpy, which is pretty rare at Egyptian airports. Anyway things will change next year when the new terminal opens which will have 12 jetways.

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Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:34 pm

Great! I love walking up the stairs onto the aircraft its so much more exciting!

Cheers Horus again you have really helped me out!

I've just brought a new Cannon Digital Rebel (300D), so an excellent way to test it out will be at SHH!


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Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:53 pm

G-BOYG is currently in the all-economy 328 seat configuration - or at least it was a couple of weeks ago last time I had anything to do with it! It's just back of Hajj lease with Garuda Indonesia - they only send their all-economy aircraft for that contract.

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Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:23 am

Checked the sched for you..

Its a 763 in 328 config.
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:38 am

Cheers Guys,

So the aircraft will be G-BOYG then?

Will she operate both LGW-SHH and SSH-LGW?


Also is she still in Garuda titles?


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Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:17 am

B742,
It's G-OBYG - My typing mistake - sorry!

Will be impossible to say what will operate your flights - the aircraft planned for a particular flight is usually only decided a few days beforehand, and only confirmed the day before. Even then it may change on the day.

With a significant about of rebranding/refurbishment going on at Britannia at the moment I don't think you can say with any certainty what aircraft will operate a specific flight next month!

According to their website the following B767s are in the 328 seat layout, so it could easily be any of them on your flight;
G-OBYB
G-OBYC
G-OBYE
G-OBYF
G-OBYG
G-OBYH

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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:34 am

On March 6th the aircraft was G-OBYG, obviously as said above the aircraft could change, but there is no significant difference between any of them.
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:39 am

Hello,
Just a word about the cabins:

If you are traveling on a Thomsonfly/Britannia Boeing 767-300, you will not receive the new Britannia leather seat cabin Sad, which is currently being fitted to their Boeing 767-200 and 757s.

Instead you'll get their old one:


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But, even if you travel on the 757 or 767-200, you may still get the stripy one shown above, because the aircraft may not have been fitted with the new enhanced interior yet.

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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:51 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 10):
Cheers Horus again you have really helped me out!

Always happy to help


As for BY using the 328-seater to SSH, their website (and brochures) state that they offer the Premium cabin on their SSH flights which is why I initially assumed they used the 315 seater. Does this mean they offer that premium cabin on their other 752 and 767 (-200 and -300) flights to SSH (they are the largest UK operator to SSH)?


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Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:03 am

Hello,

Quoting Horus (Reply 17):
Does this mean they offer that premium cabin on their other 752 and 767 (-200 and -300) flights to SSH (they are the largest UK operator to SSH)?

Britannia only offer there Premium service on their 767-300 aircraft.

There 757s and 767-200 are all economy!

The chances of getting a 767-300 Short-Haul are very slim, as these Aircraft are used on Long-Haul routes. With Egypt being a around 5 hour flight, you may get a 767-300 .

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Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:46 am

In that case since BY use their B763 on BY077 and since they offer premium class on flights to SSH, is it safe to assume using G-OBYG is rare and was used due to low demand for the premium class or high demand in Y class over the last few weeks?

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Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
In that case since BY use their B763 on BY077 and since they offer premium class on flights to SSH, is it safe to assume using G-OBYG is rare and was used due to low demand for the premium class or high demand in Y class over the last few weeks?

Hello, because SSH is a 5 hour ride from England (around that anyway) this is probably why premium service is needed and the 767-300 used. I would say using any 767-300 is not rare and it has been used due to high demand for Premium seats, and because Britannia know that the Premium seats on that flight will be all taken.

I will bring this topic up again tomorrow and then I will be able to give a definite answer of how rare a 767-300 is at Egypt for Britannia.

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Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 20):
Hello, because SSH is a 5 hour ride from England (around that anyway) this is probably why premium service is needed and the 767-300 used. I would say using any 767-300 is not rare and it has been used due to high demand for Premium seats, and because Britannia know that the Premium seats on that flight will be all taken.

I will bring this topic up again tomorrow and then I will be able to give a definite answer of how rare a 767-300 is at Egypt for Britannia

With Larnaca LCLK and Paphos PFO being similar to SSH time in flight what aircraft are used on those routes?

I think its more a case of High Density than demand for Premium seats.
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:00 am

SignalOne, No I think you misunderstood me, I know for a fact that BY use B767s (both -200 and -300) on a regular basis on flights to Egypt. Besides BY077, they also use B762s on BY507 to LXR. My point was considering that they offer premium class tickets for their flights to SSH, why have they been using G-OBYG which is configured in an all Y-class configuration. I'm assuming that was either due to low demand for that premium service or high demand for Y class over that period.

Anyway UK-Egypt flights usually last 4.5 - 5 hours while Egypt-UK flights last 5.5 - 6 hours but that doesn't guarantee a premium service should be available, though it is a good move considering the long haul nature of the flight.

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Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:10 am

Horus,
They don't appear to offer premium class on that particular flight.

Flight length is not the determining factor in whether premium is offered - next winter's Brazil flights with Britannia will be all-economy, as will their flights to Mombassa.

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Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:13 am

Hello,

Larnaca LCLK,

FCA: A321
BY: 767-200, 767-300-Used from Birmingham
MYT: A330,
TCX: NOT SURE

Paphos PFO,

FCA:A321
BY:NOT SURE
MYT:NOT SURE
TCX:NOT SURE

Probably, the same aircraft used for Egypt flights are used for Cyprus flights. 767's and 330's. FCA A321's operate to PFO and LCLK though.

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Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 22):
low demand for that premium service or high demand for Y class over that period.

Hello,

Probably low demand for Premium and Britannia know they can fill the flight in an all Y class.
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 24):
FCA A321's operate to PFO and LCLK though

From regional airports, it is B757 in the summer from others.
 
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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:07 am

I'd hate to fly BY economy in one of their 767s for any length of time, especially not to Rio. I flew to Minorca in one and it was 2.5 hours of pure hell, and I had an aisle seat. Anyone over 5 foot 10 will find it impossible to get comfortable. The seats are narrow and hard and leg-room is minimal. Maybe the cushions have been improved but 2-4-2 in a 767 means the seat width/legroom would still mean sardine can like comfort.

What many people don't realise is that IT airlines like Britannia squeeze more seats in while maintaining minimum leg-room standards by using very thin seat cushions.

Given the choice, pay extra for a scheduled flight. Better flexibility, and you keep away from the bucket and spade crowd.
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 23):
Horus,
They don't appear to offer premium class on that particular flight.

Alright fellas, I just realised I made a typo right at the start, I said that G-OBYG has been flying the route when in fact I meant G-OBYJ

Here is a list of aircraft registrations which have flown this route since January and this is what I found:
BY077:
02/01-GBRIF (B762)
09/01-GOBYJ
16/01-GOBYI
23/01-GOBYD
30/01-GOBYJ
06/02-GOBYD
13/02-GOBYI
20/02-GOBYD
27/02-GOBYJ
06/03-GOBYJ
(source: http://www.lhr-lgw.co.uk/ )

So ALL BY077 flights are operated WITH the premium cabin.

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 23):
Flight length is not the determining factor in whether premium is offered

I absolutely agree and thats what I already said:

Quoting Horus (Reply 22):
Anyway UK-Egypt flights usually last 4.5 - 5 hours while Egypt-UK flights last 5.5 - 6 hours but that doesn't guarantee a premium service should be available, though it is a good move considering the long haul nature of the flight.

But in this case they do use the 763s with the premium cabin.

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 24):
Probably, the same aircraft used for Egypt flights are used for Cyprus flights. 767's and 330's

According to the link I gave above all the BY 767 flights to Cyprus are with an all Y class configuration.

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 25):

Probably low demand for Premium and Britannia know they can fill the flight in an all Y class

Since it now turns out they do use the 315-seater 763s, there must be a demand for premium class.



Jetlagged, I have to agree with you on that. I've only ever flown BY's 757s and I always felt they were much more uncomfortable compared to MON. I'm not sure if that was because I was lucky with the seats I took with MON or if Monarch have greater seat pitch.



Again I'd like to apologize for that initial mistake. So their brochures and website are correct in stating that they offer premium class on flights to SSH.



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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:30 am

Interesting.

I haven't operated SSH for a while, and that was 757. Those regs are indeed Premium configured.

After looking at the planned scheds for SSH on those dates, it is , as I said earlier a 763, 328 config. But I also noticed the TUN route is starting that day with a 763 315 seater, but its not planned to continue on a premium aircraft.

Also remember that a lot of the aircraft are due for a repaint/rebrand so there will be a lots of chopping and changing in March and April.
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 27):
Given the choice, pay extra for a scheduled flight. Better flexibility, and you keep away from the bucket and spade crowd.

Just to say that the ' bucket and spade lot ' don't tend to fly to SSH. In fact the type of passenger who fly to SSH are mostly professional divers ( due to the charterer ) and the remaining ( Thomson allocation ) are very discerning and a pleasure to fly.

Don't like the term ' bucket and spade '. Been flying for 10 years and that term can be applied to a SMALL percentage of passenger on certain routes in the Summer, and the same type of passenger can be found on ALL AIRLINES flights including scheduled.
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:48 pm

Well I just found out Monarch flight MON4265 to SSH is with an A332s. (I always thought they were reserved for US, Caribbean and Indian Ocean flights).

Air Atlanta Europe also use their B742 to SSH (EUK829) and HRG(EUK803). I know they're fitted with an upgraded cabin but does anyone know the exact configuration for G-BDXJ?


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BALboy, I have a few questions I hope you can help me out with:

1. Considering BY are the largest UK operator to SSH is there any chance they'll launch some sort of scheduled service to the resort? Currently Astraeus have a weekly scheduled B752 service on the LGW-SSH route (5W376), but that's increasing to 3x weekly in May and a new weekly scheduled flight will start from MAN ( http://www.flyastraeus.com/whereweflyto/index.asp?id=55 ). I know BY are starting new flights to SSH from CWL and BHX this summer but I'm interested to know about scheduled services.

2. I was told in a different thread that BY flights to SSH are 'manned' by the same crew on the outbound and inbound legs, which can have the crew work for 12 hours (LGW-SSH:5hrs + Turnaround@SSH:1.5hours + SSH-LGW:5.5hours). Is this really the case or does the crew layover in Sharm for a few days?

3. Are the 762s fitted with a premium cabin? The website shows 2 seating capacities, 274 or 290, but unlike the B763 information it doesn't specify whether one is fitted with a premium cabin. If so, what are the registrations?


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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:36 pm

Hello Horus.

I really don't know about any plans for a scheduled service. Britannia do not operate any scheduled services like Monarch or Astreaus...but Thomsonfly do, and by 2006 they will be the same airline so who knows.

The crew do indeed do 'there and back ' on the SSH runs. Long day but excellent commission.

No premium cabin on the 762. Used to be, but no longer. The different configs are because all the 762's have an extra 2 rows put back in during the summer months because they are mainly used for high density routes.
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:04 pm

The SSH service operated from LTN is that on a 757 or 767?

Do they operate the dreaded 28 inch seat pitch for the 6hr flight or are they in the 30inch long haul configuration?
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting BALboy (Reply 32):

The crew do indeed do 'there and back ' on the SSH runs. Long day but excellent commission

Seems like a really long day. Is it the longest trip where the crew manage both inbound and outbound flights?

Thanks for the feedback on the scheduled services and the B762s.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 33):
The SSH service operated from LTN is that on a 757 or 767?

The flights are with B752s. From what I've read TCX are taking over the route during the summer with a B752s.

BY only use their 767s on flights to Egypt from LGW and MAN. They use the 757s on their other services from LTN, BRS, GLA, NCL, EMA, BHX (to LXR) as well as some services from LGW and MAN. CWL and BHX will both get a weekly BY 752 service to SSH this summer.


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Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:53 pm

TCX are taking over the NCL-SSH flights this summer from BY.
I believe the CWL-SSH flights start for winter 05/06 and not this summer
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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:03 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 35):
TCX are taking over the NCL-SSH flights this summer from BY.

And its proving to be quite a success

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 35):
I believe the CWL-SSH flights start for winter 05/06 and not this summer

Correct. http://www.newswales.co.uk/?section=Transport&F=1&id=7500 (I realise the heading of the article is misleading).


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Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:57 am

Britannia/ThomsonFly is starting a service to TUN ? and with B763 ?
 
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Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:16 pm

Ts-ior, I can't find anything on their website but I don't think its that surprising considering the open sky policy adopted by the Tunisian authorities. Thomsonfly might start a scheduled weekly or 2x weekly service from LGW or MAN....it's over to you BALboy

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Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:46 pm

No scheduled service. Just a charterer request. Don't know who the charterer is or how long the route is being operated.

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Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:58 pm

Cheers BALboy. Another quick question, are BY planning any new flights/routes (besides BHX-SSH) this summer?

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Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:06 pm

Not sure Horus. Ill try and find out for you. The only one I know is Natal in Brazil and perhaps Taba.
 
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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting BALboy (Reply 41):
Not sure Horus. Ill try and find out for you. The only one I know is Natal in Brazil and perhaps Taba.

Thanks it would be great if could get the latest info on flights to Egypt. As for flights to TCP, BY's website shows that they fly there from LTN.


Anyway here are some images of the new terminal at SSH:






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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:30 am

We in YVR got a visit from Britania 2 days ago and agin this afternoon, but it was the old paint scheme
 
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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 34):
Seems like a really long day. Is it the longest trip where the crew manage both inbound and outbound flights?

Longest out & back trip TCX do. We`ve got a dispensation from the CAA to operate it both ways with the same crew as long as the company gives us a greater period of time off before & after the flight than normal to allow sufficient rest. Of course it would be great if we started getting lay-overs there but I just don`t think its going to happen  Sad !

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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:19 am

Quoting BALboy (Reply 30):
Don't like the term ' bucket and spade '. Been flying for 10 years and that term can be applied to a SMALL percentage of passenger on certain routes in the Summer, and the same type of passenger can be found on ALL AIRLINES flights including scheduled.

It's a term I've heard used by many pilots, referring to summer holiday flights in general. I did not mean it to be insulting, I've been part of the bucket and spade crowd myself many times. It was a light-hearted generalisation, not my main point.

Given the choice of charter or scheduled, I would always choose the latter. On IT flights everyone is going on holiday, you're all herded together and treated like idiots (not by the cabin crew normally I have to say). All pax, except a very small minority, are a pleasure to travel with needless to say.

My regular business travel takes me from London to Miami. Plenty of tourists on board, not a problem. It's all down to flight flexibility and space on board. If you fly scheduled you can change your flights easily. You fly charter and you are at the operators mercy. They might change a flight for you if they have space. You can't get away from the sardine-can cabin space and uncomfortable seats.

SSH may be a bit upmarket for some, but by pointing this out aren't you being more elitist than I was?
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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Schooner (Reply 44):
Longest out & back trip TCX do. We`ve got a dispensation from the CAA to operate it both ways with the same crew as long as the company gives us a greater period of time off before & after the flight than normal to allow sufficient rest. Of course it would be great if we started getting lay-overs there but I just don`t think its going to happen Sad !

Thanks Schooner! So how do crews react when assigned to a SSH flight? Is the time off before/after the flight a good enough 'trade off' or are SSH flights dreaded?

And another thing, how many F/As are on a A320 or B757 flight to SSH?

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 45):

SSH may be a bit upmarket for some, but by pointing this out aren't you being more elitist than I was?

I think you might have taken what he said a little out of context. This is what he said:

Quoting BALboy (Reply 30):
Just to say that the ' bucket and spade lot ' don't tend to fly to SSH. In fact the type of passenger who fly to SSH are mostly professional divers (due to the charterer) and the remaining (Thomson allocation) are very discerning and a pleasure to fly.

He is just commenting on the type of holidaymakers visiting Sharm and is in no way being 'elitist' about it. However I know where you're coming from about the 'bucket and spade lot'.


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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:00 am

Well I don`t mind them. It depends if you get a decent crew to make the time pass faster. The nice benefit is that we do our SSHs on thursdays so you are guaranteed friday & saturday off for boozing! Normal crew compliment for all our flights is 6 cabin crew.

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RE: Britannia - LGW>SSH>LGW - What A/c?

Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:13 am

Cheers Schooner!

I think TCX will take over the NCL-SSH and GLA-SSH routes from BY this summer. Does this mean TCX will be going back to the CAA to get a further allowance for their crew, considering the flights are longer than LGW-SSH?

Quoting Schooner (Reply 47):
The nice benefit is that we do our SSHs on thursdays so you are guaranteed friday & saturday off for boozing!

Spoken like a true pilot Big grin

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