United4everDEN
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TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:54 am

With TED at 56 A320's now, United is close to having all 72 of their A320's TED aircraft. Obviously with the recent expansion of TED, it is doing pretty well, so why stop expanding it? If they do continue to expand TED, what will happen when United is out of A320s to change over? I don't think there is a chance of new aircraft orders. What other aircraft might they convert?
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting United4everDEN (Thread starter):
What other aircraft might they convert?

For what its worth, might as well just convert the whole damn airline.
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LAXintl
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:07 pm

First, TED as of last week had 47 converted aircraft. Not 56.

In total UA has 97 A320s. Even with its announced growth this summer, it will be no were close to the 97 count.

United has used TED primarily as a tool to operate current routes that have mostly leisure traffic, not as a vehicle of route growth with the exception of its DEN-FLL, MDW-DEN/IAD and the seasonal Caribbean/Mexico flying.

Thus with UA being a network carrier which primarily which targets the business market, it is unlikely the airline would have that many marginal routes that are prime for TED.

TED appears to have turned out to be a valuable tool for United to use as part of its broader product line just like United Express and the coast to coast p.s. flights.
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Gregg
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:30 pm

They should covert all the a320/319 into TED. Then purchase new 737s for United.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:30 pm

Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes.
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PVD757
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:05 pm

I can honestly see UA converting the 320s and 319s to Ted since there are fewer and fewer routes that UA doesn't see low fare competition on. The 757s will do the transcons and the high density and higher yield stuff (LGA, DCA, BOS, SFO, etc.) while the rest will be a combo of the 73's and commuter affiliates. Long term, I suppose the 73's will be phased out.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:12 pm

Get some stored 727-200s from the desert! or for them extra capacity flights a couple of deliciously gorgeous L1011s!
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 5):
Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes

Airbus will sell anything to anybody. Oh wait, you said "right minds"...sorry.
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N737MC
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:40 am

This is a THICK topic.

Who cares that the A320s are going the LCC of United.  hissyfit  The A319s fill the void where needed. Ryan, are you afraid of not having any mainline A320s to photograph?  banghead 

Hmm...
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:00 am

I hope that UAL is smart enought to send as many planes as TED needs. If they are samrt, UAL will serve a few major business destinations like JFK, LAX, SFO, ORD, ATL, IAH, DFW, etc and Intnl while turning over all the leisure routes to Ted. In this way they get out of the LCC competition end of things while serving bread and butter business travelers.
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:09 am

Why does Ted not serve NYC?
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:12 am

Does anyone call Ted, Edward!
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:05 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
Does anyone call Ted, Edward!

Probably as many as call it Theodore

Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 10):
Why does Ted not serve NYC?

Ted is for low yield markets, which UA does not serve from NYC. Same with how LAX only gets Ted to LAS

Quoting N737MC (Reply 8):
The A319s fill the void where needed. Ryan, are you afraid of not having any mainline A320s to photograph?

Except on routes that need the capacity but can still justify mainline. With 757s going P.S., you begin having issues
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:07 am

Gregg, how can UA order new planes when they are bankrupt? Nobody in their right mind would sell them planes.

For what it is worth. UAL is not bankrupt. Jetgo and Winair are bankrupt.
Another thing at the drop of a hat, Airbus will sell UAL A319/20's.
Bankrupt pretty much means no longer operating, and I still see plenty of UA
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 13):
Bankrupt pretty much means no longer operating, and I still see plenty of UA
birds in the sky.

No, Bankrupt means insolvent. You are insolvent when your cash flow combined with cash on hand cannot cover your debt load. If it meant no longer operating, when people declared personal bankruptcy, they would be 6 feet under (or in the case of MSY, in a little house). No longer operating would happen if UA was shut down and liquidated in Chapter 7. Under Chapter 11, they are protected from creditors and can operate while restructuring.
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:34 am

Southwest and jetBlue could easily takeover all of the TED operation and then United wouldn't have to worry about reallocating any scarebuses to an LCC operation at all.........................hehehehehehehehehehehehe.

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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
With 757s going P.S., you begin having issues

Not really...there are only 13 out of about 96 757s on p.s. service, and all have been converted. Unless UA expands p.s. (highly doubtful), there are still plenty of 757s to go around.

And UA would have to pretty much DOUBLE Ted service from what it's at now in order to use the entire A320 fleet. Again, I can't see this making sense, as most of the all-leisure destinations from the hubs are being served already.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:20 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 11):
Does anyone call Ted, Edward!

Nice!!
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:36 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
For what its worth, might as well just convert the whole damn airline.

What a dump comment.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 16):
Not really...there are only 13 out of about 96 757s on p.s. service, and all have been converted. Unless UA expands p.s. (highly doubtful), there are still plenty of 757s to go around.

It looks as if United P.S will be expanding after all: http://aeroposte.blogspot.com/2005/0...extends-ps-service-to-all-new.html

and: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050315/cgtu054_1.html

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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:55 pm

United isn't expanding ps service, they simply finished converting 13 aircraft and now offer ps on all LAX/SFO-JFK flights. They aren't expanding past that, at least not yet.

As for TED expansion...United has applied with DOT to offer O'Hare-San Jose del Cabo service, and the application says they would offer the service with "an A320 configured between 132 and 156 seats".
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:23 pm

Actually, the second article says that UA has added an additional frequency on JFK-SFO, so it must be doing good...I recall someone on this board saying there was no market left on this segment...funny, there seems to be a rather demanding one.  Wink
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:45 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
"an A320 configured between 132 and 156 seats".

You know, that 132 seat number is really telling of why UA is losing money.
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:56 pm

I show UA (non-Ted) 320s to be configured to 138 seats. US's have 142, and NW has 148.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:25 pm

PVD757:

That's because US and NW don't have E+.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:08 pm

having flow UA and being a gold star alliance member, the E+ would make me fly them again.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:03 am

I have herd rumors that the new Ted planes will be overwater equipped!  hyper 

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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 25):
I have herd rumors that the new Ted planes will be overwater equipped! hyper

Maybe TED is going to Hawaii.
 
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:07 am

United seems to be on the right track with p.s. Because they're doing (reasonably) well, could AA perhaps imitate them and start their own premium service?
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RE: TED Expanding, Running Out Of Aircraft?

Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:31 am

UA's master plan. TED domestic and rename United's International service "United Worldwide". And then have P.S. serve only major business markets. Now, we're talking....chaching
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