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Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:56 am

IA set to roll out intercontinental flights from July
IA is actively scouting for a dozen aircraft like Boeing 777/767 (extended range) and Airbus 330-200/340 to introduce flights to a string of points, including Sydney and Hong Kong, Jeddah and Riyadh and Birmingham, Manchester and Gatwick.
Towards next summer, it proposes to connect the Big-Apple which thanks to the Open Skies with India will have no restrictions on flights or ports of call from Indian carriers.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ticleshow/msid-1051806,curpg-1.cms

interesting times ahead!! Just the time to throw in your $25.
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:16 pm

If AI takes a very long time to decide on what planes to get due to government bureaucracy, how is IA going to get them on such short notice?
 
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:28 pm

Quoting Aseem (Thread starter):
Towards next summer, it proposes to connect the Big-Apple which thanks to the Open Skies with India will have no restrictions on flights or ports of call from Indian carriers.

So what is the gate and slot availability situation for international flights at JFK and EWR these days?
 
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:33 pm

Now, if all the Indian domestic carriers start branching out internationally/intercontinentally, can Air India start domestic service on a large scale? I'm not familiar with the technicalities of Indian aviation, but I know the Indian market is far more liberalized than when Air India was the international flag carrier and Indian was the domestic/regional carrier.
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:01 pm

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 1):
If AI takes a very long time to decide on what planes to get due to government bureaucracy, how is IA going to get them on such short notice?

Both of them are different organizations, and IC is known to make swifter strategic decisions. Moreover, IC's order for new aircraft for it's domestic routes is in advanced stage of approval. As for these international routes they plan to lease for which neither of them need govt approval.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
can Air India start domestic service on a large scale?

Not quite sure what is there in their mandate, but AI and it's AI Express might start feeder services to their international flights. Moreover, with so many domestic LCC starting, I doubt AI will foray into full fledged domestic service. They already have too many un-utilized bilaterals to tap.
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:31 pm

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 1):
If AI takes a very long time to decide on what planes to get due to government bureaucracy, how is IA going to get them on such short notice?



Quoting Aseem (Reply 4):
As for these international routes they plan to lease for which neither of them need govt approval.

Leasing,, but are you sure no govt approval is needed for new a/c, which are not in their fleet yet?


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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:04 pm

Where do they expect to get these various aircrafts from
 
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:19 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 5):
Leasing,, but are you sure no govt approval is needed for new a/c, which are not in their fleet yet?

The way I read it the "neither" was referring to the airlines, such as "Neither Indian Airlines or Air-India require approval for leasing."
 
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:24 pm

Quoting Aseem (Thread starter):
IA is actively scouting for a dozen aircraft like Boeing 777/767 (extended range) and Airbus 330-200/340

There are simply none available. Their only option is to order them fresh new airbus/boeing and we all know how long they take to order new planes.

I've travelled IC. They are ok but nowhere near 9W or even AI. They must improve the quality of their inflight services radically if they are to attract any customer for their long-haul routes.
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:35 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 8):
There are simply none available.

Actually, they are about to finalize deals for some 767
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:53 pm

"Both of them are different organizations, and IC is known to make swifter strategic decisions. Moreover, IC's order for new aircraft for it's domestic routes is in advanced stage of approval. As for these international routes they plan to lease for which neither of them need govt approval"

And who makes the decisions for IC. Isn't IC a government run airline like AI? Maybe I am missing something here.

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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:05 am

Is IA & AI ever going to be Merged.
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 10):
And who makes the decisions for IC. Isn't IC a government run airline like AI? Maybe I am missing something here.

You are definitely missing something. Both of them are independent companies with limited liabilities, with Govt of India being the majority stake holder. They have their own board of directors with appointed CEO/President whatever.
They both make their own commercial decisions besides purchase of new aircraft and opening up of bilateral, for which they have to depend on Govt's financial (cash infusion) and diplomatic muscle respectively.
Hope this answers yours question.
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:43 am

I would love too see Indian Airlines at BHX!!

But I would always rather fly Air India!


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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:33 am

Maybe this is finally a precursor to a long overdue merger. Otherwise it make no sense whatsoever.
 
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 13):
I would love too see Indian Airlines at BHX!!

I guess you'll get to see both AI and IC at BHX soon!
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:46 am

"Indian Airlines has already been designated for operations in Britain. It has requested for permission to operate four flights per week to Birmingham and three flights every week to Manchester," civil aviation minister Praful Patel said. The airline, he added, is currently awaiting the green light from British authorities for mounting these flights.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1052808.cms

so it is conf that IC goes to BHX and MAN sooner or later..
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting Aseem (Reply 16):
so it is conf that IC goes to BHX and MAN sooner or later..

And let me guess IC will fly BHX to Amritsar just like AI and overlap on the 3 days AI is flying...BHX makes no sense for IC. Its almost like Jet, BA, VS, BMI are competing for premium traffic and the two gov of India airlines are competing with each other for the ethnic tourist market. At least segment the market between IC and AI.

While I think IC should not get UK frequencies, if they do get it at least open new routes like CCU or MAA (which would also connect to IC's other international flights like KUL, SIN or BKK. In fact giving IC CCU's share of frequencies would finally give CCU some connectivity with a hub airline (so a do Goodyear government could help a city that needs the help). In general, the GOI should allocate frequencies based on an airline's main base as well as need/competition. For instance Sahara should have received the HYD to BKK frequencies as they are launching the hub there.
 
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:16 am

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 17):
Its almost like Jet, BA, VS, BMI are competing for premium traffic and the two gov of India airlines are competing with each other for the ethnic tourist market.

First and foremost they'll have to get over their complex of being a govt owned domestic carrier. You cannot be big unless you think big. IC should realize that they are starting afresh and don't have the kind of image problem AI has. It makes a lot of sense to start off with a superior product even if they are catering to smaller cities.

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 17):
if they do get it at least open new routes like CCU or MAA (which would also connect to IC's other international flights like KUL, SIN or BKK.

I fully agree and IMHO they should start it off MAA with connections to KUL/BKK/SIN. They can even use same aircraft all the way from UK to SEAsia.

I'd even go to the extent of suggesting LGW-MAA-KUL/BKK/SIN flight with tie-up with CO or UA for flights from LGW to US.
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RE: Indian Airlines Goes Intercontinental

Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:27 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 18):
I'd even go to the extent of suggesting LGW-MAA-KUL/BKK/SIN flight with tie-up with CO or UA for flights from LGW to US.

UA flies from LGW to USA? Since when?

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