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Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:29 pm

any more word on whether MH will join skyteam. this alliance is gradually giving better coverage but still lacks a presence in the asia pacific region except KE. would love MH to join.
 
keno
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:11 pm

No new development unfortunately as MH is still keeping their alliance decision a secret. Not exactly a secret that SkyTeam is the obvious choice, but one can only guess when the annoucement would be made. There's hardly any news or even speculation on the alliance issue in the local media, unlike the recent fleet replacement news.

I wish to quote someone from a local aviation forum which presents a different angle on the delay :-

Quoting Fairizuan from AeroMalaysia.com:


Malaysia Airlines will not join any alliance until they their IATA Operational Safety Audit (IOSA) application is settle as “joining the alliance” was part of their IOSA 4 main objectives.

They are now busy conducting the MAS IOSA Awareness briefing and presentation for all Malaysia Airlines personnel.

MAS IOSA program will kick off in the early month of April and the official application process will only start in the month of May if I’m not mistaken. They are now very busy with this program and have about 450 + checklist plus the “should do” checklist to comply.

And finally, if my memory serves me right, the application will take about 9 months or so to process (by IATA). But then, there are many airlines queuing up for the application as there are only 4 registered auditors approved by IATA. Malaysia Airlines have chosen a Melbourne-based auditor.

Singapore Airlines is the only airline in South East Asia that is a member of IOSA.

It was also said earlier that the annoucement delay was due to some issues with Air France, though I'm not entirely sure the truth behind this.
 
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:56 am

I agree. MH's obvious choice should be SkyTeam and I guess it is only a matter of time for MH to join the alliance. Besides, it makes sense because their closest competitors are already members of Star Alliance and of oneworld. Furthermore, MH is close to SkyTeam member KL and would get a lot of feed from Europe to other Southeast Asian destinations and to Australian cities.

I hope their accession happens sooner rather than later.
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting KEno (Reply 1):
It was also said earlier that the annoucement delay was due to some issues with Air France, though I'm not entirely sure the truth behind this.

This is indeed true and at one point the discussion was on hold trying to reconcile the differences. Whether or not these have been solved remains unknown; or rather, no solid confirmation of the final draft of entrance/membership terms and conditions yet. However, it would just be a matter of time and MH will be able to meet all the criterias and prove to be beneficial to Skyteam and vice versa.
 
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:53 am

Once MH joins SkyTeam (as I said before, I am confident it will), SkyTeam will have a very thorough coverage of most regions of the world, and will only need a local South American partner in order to be on a par with its competitors. MH will give SkyTeam a presence in South East Asia and Oceania (I understand MH is strong in Australia), especially from Europe, and that will be much better than relying on KE for flights to the southern regions of the East.

If SkyTeam would pursue JJ or AR after the entrance of MH, the circle would be complete!
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:34 pm

at the moment the skyteam presence in australia is pathetic. MH will certainly open up the possibilities from australia, they fly to most capital cities here. they also have fantastic fares and malaysia is a great stopover option.
 
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:11 pm

Thai's loss is Malaysian's gain. They will see feed from the largest alliance in Europe and the largest alliance in North America. Divided among just two Asian carriers KE and themselves. I'm suprised this didn't happen a long time ago.
 
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:15 pm

but given the talk of a CX_CA_KA link, and the flow on effects to their respective alliances, wouldnt it make sense for MH to wait a little longer??

everyone assumes that CA will go to Star, as everyone assumes MH will go to skyteam.

BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star, doesnt this leave room for MH to go with oneworld??

food for thought...
 
airpearl
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:00 pm

Quote:
BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star

CX-KA-CA, TG, SQ, NH, OZ all in one alliance? Talk about a crowd...  Wink
 
alespesl
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:23 pm

I would love to see MH in Skyteam. Also I hope China Southern Airlines joins Skyteam Alliance.
 
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:39 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
but given the talk of a CX_CA_KA link, and the flow on effects to their respective alliances, wouldnt it make sense for MH to wait a little longer??

everyone assumes that CA will go to Star, as everyone assumes MH will go to skyteam.

BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star, doesnt this leave room for MH to go with oneworld??

food for thought...

Well its also already been stated that CZ want to join skyteam, and that MU may well end up in oneworld in time.

But MH would fit better into skyteam than oneworld even without CX. MH would have skyteam's australian market to itself amongst its alliance partners, whereas in oneworld, QF would naturally dominate that area.
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keno
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 6):
They will see feed from the largest alliance in Europe and the largest alliance in North America.

Besides Europe-Australia market, another MH's strongpoint would be the feed to Indian Subcontinent, especially from the west coast of North America and Korea/Japan/China. MH flies to 11 cities in that region, and 3 more to come by the end of this year. None of the existing SkyTeam member is even close to that figure.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
BUT, if CX-KA-CA go with Star, doesnt this leave room for MH to go with oneworld??

I suppose anything is possible, but I highly doubt that MH would go in the way of Oneworld, regardless of CX's future. The #1 reason - QF/BA has an established hub in SIN / WSSS), Singapore">SIN and would want to keep it that way. Ever wonder why neither airline fly to KUL / WMKK), Malaysia">KUL anymore despite the massive demand? MH has something unique to offer to Skyteam, in Oneworld they'd have to compete with QF. CX's theoretical absense can be better served by JAL.

[Edited 2005-03-17 16:37:08]
 
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:12 am

I am convinced MH will be a great option to SkyTeam passengers for flights between Europe and Australia. However, I am not so sure about traffic between the U.S. and Australia since the LAX-KUL service has a stop en route (TPE?) and, therefore it is less attractive than what UA, QF and many other carriers offer.
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:18 pm

Ia Orana All !!!

I too would be very happy and proud if Malaysia Airlines joined SkyTEAM.
MH has such a good network that it would fit perfectly within the skyTEAM extensive network.
MH could indeed bring the much needed presence on Australia and Southeast Asian routes, and reinforce the growing presence on the Indian subcontinent.
MH would gain at the same time so much with the most extensive US network thanks to Delta, Continental and NWA. The European routes would be fed by CSA, AF-KL and AZ.
MH would gain from AF's excellent African network too.
With CZ and SU which are sure to join alongside PGA Portugalia who just announced that they would join SkyTEAM before the start of winter 2005 season.
So let's hope they join soon enough and that any problems would be resolved ASAP !

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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:37 pm

SkyTeam needs an Airline from the Australasia region. Since Qantas and Air New Zealand- the only major airlines in that region- are already taken, MH would fill the gap, sice they have a strong market there. Also I hope a chinese airline joins, my favour would be Air China. TAM could complete South America, so that just leaves Africa open then. Maybe South African Airlines.


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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Sat Mar 19, 2005 6:17 pm

Well,
China Southern, China's number 1 airline has signed a MoU and CZ will join soon. CZ is the first chinese airline to join an alliance and de facto SkyTEAM would be the first alliance to welcome a chinese carrier.
Concerning TAM, AF is not so much in love with them... They have big differences now and are not the best of friends anymore, that's a shame as TAM could be a really good addition to skyTEAM.
And now concerning Africa, Air France and KLM together have the most comprehensive network ofany other carriers. Together they serve destinations that SAA who is joining Star Alliance, doesn't even go to. Yet, if an african carrier should join it would be Kenya Airways and Royal Air Maroc.

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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:34 pm

Connection between European SkyTeam hubs & Australia/NZ/Southeast Asia via KUL :-



Connection between American SkyTeam hubs & Indian Subcontinent/Southeast Asia via KUL :-



[Edited 2005-03-19 11:37:34]
 
Econojetter
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:05 am

KEno,

I see you have connected MH to NW/CO/DL at NRT for North American... which would have been fine, except the timings are much less than ideal. I doubt we'll see NW moving its NRT bank of flights (currently in the early-to-mid afternoon)... meaning that will require a midnight arrival into KUL and 6 a.m. departure ex-KUL to make the connections.

In that light, perhaps a partnership with KE via ICN (less congestion, potentially less slot restrictions) might be more feasible? Are there any plans at MH and KE to extend their co-operation outside of Korea-Malaysia flights regardless of whether or not MH eventually joins SkyTeam?
 
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RE: Malaysian Airlines And Skyteam

Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:15 am

I've never actually come across any plan for MH/KE to extend their cooperation for Transpacific flights, though it would be something that should be considered for the reasons you mentioned above. We often hear more about NW because of MH's close cooperation with KLM.

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