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Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:03 am

Two SAS widebodies have been damaged today in two different minor accidents on the ground. At ARN the jetway/walkway hit the aircraft too hard. At CPH a cargo truck hit the luggage door. They were due for EWR and ORD, were both fully booked (261 pax each) and were both taken out of service.

I would say it's bad luck to have two out of the eleven widebodies damaged the same day. Or... isn't it bad luck? Do you think there is something else than luck involved?

SAS' widebody fleet consists of 7 A343 and 4 333.

Source, in Swedish: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,618587,00.html
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:07 am

oh darn... that's gonna mess up the schedule!


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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:11 am

It is the luck of the Irish on St. Patricks Day...Maybe Aer Lingus has something to do with it...I heard there are Leprechauns all over the world today sabotaging planes Big grin!
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:22 am

Not the first time ARN has problem with the walkways...


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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:24 am

Sounds unfortunate for SAS, were any other aircraft able to operate these two flights instead? Or where they just simply cancelled?

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:26 am

The flights were cancelled and the most of the pax had to fly via London.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:26 am

Where they a A330 and a A340, 2 A340s or 2 A330s?
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:28 am

Booth were A330-300s, I guess. SAS mostly use A330s on North-Atlantic routes.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:30 am

Hmm... two cancelled intercontinental flights with a total of 522 passengers... that's going to be expensive under the new European compensation rules. Ouch.

Edit: plus of course the return passengers who are also covered since SAS is a community carrier.

[Edited 2005-03-17 17:42:50]
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:31 am

Maybe UA can take back one or two of their T7 from the dessert and wet lease them to SAS for some days? Or are they not available on short term?

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:31 am

Ouch! Having 2 mainline a/c damaged in one day is not a good situation. There goes the profits this month. Are there any estimates how long these a/c will be out of service?
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:35 am

Dunno, when they are back in service, but they have 24 hours to fix them, before they are scheduled to go again. It shouldn't be too hard to fix.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:42 am

I just remembered that SAS is currently leasing a B767-300 from UA for the IAD-ARK or CPH route.

SAS might be able to get their hands on a Air Atlanta B747 or a European 747. When Aer Lingus had two of their A330s damaged they leased a World Airways MD-11 and a Air Plus Comet B747-200.

The A340 used to fly the ORD and EWR routes and now its the A340s and A330s.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:12 am

My sister is flying CPH-ORD next Sunday March 27th. Does anyone think that the schedule will still be affected at that point, or are these problems most likely a quick fix? She's really looking forward to flying the A333, so if there's an equipment change, she'll be dissapointed.
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:19 am

ORD777, the CPHORD run is normally a 343, the 333 is used on the run from ARN to ORD.


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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:32 am

Quoting ORD777 (Reply 13):
My sister is flying CPH-ORD next Sunday March 27th. Does anyone think that the schedule will still be affected at that point, or are these problems most likely a quick fix? She's really looking forward to flying the A333, so if there's an equipment change, she'll be dissapointed.

As SAS has been installing a kind of internet connection onboard their longhauls, the A330 has been flying CPH-ORD intstead of the A340 this winter. March 27th however is the summer timetable will take over and the A340 is back, unfortunately. Your sister can if she wants to get up early fly via ARN to get ride on A330.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:35 am

Thanks SASA330300,

That's actually what's she's probably flying. I knew that she was flying the A333 but didn't really know her exact itinerary. Do you think the ARN flight will still be affected then?
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
Ouch! Having 2 mainline a/c damaged in one day is not a good situation. There goes the profits this month. Are there any estimates how long these a/c will be out of service?

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:42 am

ok. I just looked up ORD CPH on orbitz.com and equipment was listed as 343...



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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:49 pm

With a sad heart I have to say SAS have´nt had any profits in years...

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:19 pm

None of SAS' transatlantic flights from ARN this morning are cancelled. I would guess that the damage caused by the jetway/walkway has been repaired, at least temporarily.

Source: http://www.lfv.se/

I have no info regarding the a/c at CPH. Anyone?
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:10 pm

Wasn't booth a/c damaged at ARN, at least booth ARN-US flights were cancelled yesterday.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:48 pm

Aftonbladet (the link posted by Tavve) doesn't say anything about CPH. It looks like both incidents happened at ARN.

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:16 pm

SK903 was flown from ARN today by Air Plus Comet's A310 EC-GOT.
what seems to be the officer, problem?
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:19 pm

Deleted, this was already posted above. Sorry

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:32 pm

 white  Hmm, I'm confused... It seems like I've made a mistake (new experience for me spin  ). Now I'm convinced that both accidents occurred at ARN. Sorry, my mistake.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Fri Mar 18, 2005 11:45 pm

We forgive you Tavve, but don't let it happen again  Wink
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:38 am

I saw yesterday (March 19) that SK903 ARN-EWR was operated by a B752 with a half an hour stop in KEF. The return flight, SK904, was canceled and I guess the aircraft and crew from SK903 stayed overnight in NY and returned today as SK6904 (dep. EWR 7.10, arr. ARN 21.00) as it was also operated by a B752. This time it was a nonstop flight. Does anybody know which airline this B752 belongs to?

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:48 am

According to a post on http://www.g-kraft.com the 757 was TF-FIU in Loftleidir Icelandic colors.

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:35 am

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What is the SAS ground-crew doing? This sounds like horribly bad-luck to me.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:30 pm

Thank you The777Man for the info.

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:36 pm

"What is the SAS ground-crew doing?"

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:41 pm

Both accidents happened at ARN..one caused by arrival of SK904 when the jetbridge had a "blackout" and demolished the area around the door.

Some hours later the highloader smashed the other Airbus 330-300 when
all passenger already boarded..and the second US dep from ARN was cancelled. This aircraft was back in operation the day after, taking
of for ORD as SK945.

CometAirPlus A310 flown the day after and then Icelandair B757 day number two. Copenhagen - Shanghai was cancelled yesterday to release an aircraft for SK903 ARN-EWR. During the coming week the situation is still not clear, the worst damaged A330 is flown to Toulouse for repair. (might be SE-REF Star livery, not sure). I think the crew still is in New York.
Easter traffic..all flights full...not the best timing.
Maybe the Icelandair B752 will come back for some days.

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:32 am

Looks like SK903 ARN-EWR tomorrow is operated by Icelandair (Boeing 757). Flies ARN-KEF-EWR.

Most likely due to the problems and damage at ARN some days ago I guess.
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:31 pm

Another article about the accidents, in Swedish: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/ekonomi/story/0,2789,621202,00.html

"We expect everything to be back to normal later this Easter, maybe already on Friday or Saturday" says Bertil Ternert, Information Officer at SAS.

Flight 903 to Newark was cancelled since the walkway hit the ac too hard. In the article the walkway's stop button is blamed not to have worked.

Flight 909 to ORD was cancelled since a "luggage tractor" hit a cargo door.

One Spanish and one Icelandic ac have been used to replace the two damaged A333s. The replacements have lower capacity though.

All according to the article.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:09 pm

Mexicana should send them back their 767, if only during two or three days. mischievous 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:13 pm

WTH are they doing at ARN???? Broken walkways and lugg.cars crashes into the a/c....

Ggrrrrrrr!!!

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:58 pm

I'm sorry, but all my experiences at ARN have been bad, dosn't surprise me that the ground staff'll mess everything up as well.

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:19 pm

I've passed ARN many times and never had any problem at all. Usually I stay on domestic flights, maybe it's the international ones causing you problem Doona? My only international flight to ARN was from Moscow and the transfer to my flight to GOT was as smooth as it can be. No problem what so ever.

I wonder what the ramp people are doing though. They cause damage to all/both SK long haul aircrafts based at the airport within a few hours.  biting 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:35 pm

Yeah, that's pretty rich. Once passing through ARN, coming from ORDgoing to MMX, I missed my connection since the SAS flight from ORD was an hour late. So I went up to the SAS transfer-desk and the lady said that I couldn't get rebooked, since I came in on UA. She assumed this since my ticketpouch was that of UA. Thing is, UA does not fly into ARN, which I think a check-in agent should now, since SAS is * Alliance's handling agent at ARN. So I carefully explained to her that I flew in on SAS, so she finally caved, and put me on stand-by to GOT. I barely noticed her mistake, and told her that I was going to MMX, and at the time SK flew like 15 flights a day ARN-MMX, and she apologized, and got me my proper ticket. Or so I thought. As I neared the security check-point, I looked at my newly issued boarding pass, and the destination said LLA! Luleå... Which is an hour in the wrong direction...
I returned, this time to another desk, and the problem was fixed, properly this time...
Never again thorugh ARN...

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:38 pm

Quoting Tavve (Reply 34):
Flight 909 to ORD was cancelled since a "luggage tractor" hit a cargo door.

Poor Aftonbladet, always messing it up! As we all know SK 909 is the flight routed CPH-EWR while ARN-ORD has the numbers 945.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:47 pm

A friend of my works for SAS at Arlanda. According to him SK945 to Chicago was damaged by a guy working for "Work at Arn". (Work at Arn is a "flexible staffing company with temporary staffing etc") He hit the belly on the A330 with his luggage car.

Since the pier-F was built, the jetways has been troublesome. Its a scandal if the jetways stop button didn´t work. If the stop button doesn´t work properly, what can you do? I wonder who is paying for the damage caused by the jetway. Maybe SAS will sue Luftfartsverket (the Swedish Civil Aviation Authority) for the damage.

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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting SAS_A330-300 (Reply 40):
Poor Aftonbladet, always messing it up! As we all know SK 909 is the flight routed CPH-EWR while ARN-ORD has the numbers 945.

Ahh, that's why I messed it up in the initial post! I remember I thought it was the CPH-EWR flight that was cancelled. Then I found out it wasn't but I still didn't get it correct. I must have read the flight number somewhere.
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:51 pm

I flew SK903 ARN-EWR on 21MAR. The flight was on an SK 330 'Eystein Viking,' the flight was ontime. Unfortunately for me though, it was full  Sad
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:29 am

SK903 on 22 March was operated by Loftleider B757 TF-FIU.

It was on the gate at EWR when I arrived yesterday. I wasn't sure who it was operating for, but then noticed it on Red 1 when I was looking for something else!
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:19 pm

Still no pictures from the damaged aircraft currently in TLS?
 
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:55 pm

Quoting Scandinavian (Reply 41):
Maybe SAS will sue Luftfartsverket (the Swedish Civil Aviation Authority) for the damage.

I really hope they do!!!
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RE: Two SAS Widebodies Damaged

Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:49 pm

Any info yet on which A330s were actually involved in these incidents?