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UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:26 am

It looks like the recently (with in the last few years) launched SFO AUS is so popular that they are upgrading it to mainline! It looks to start some time in April!


Great News for UA!

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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:29 am

That is awesome, I guess they are taken care of the capacity growth spurred by the tech industy in AUS and in the bay area.
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:43 am

Either that, or the fact that SFO-AUS pushes the range/time envelope of the CR7.
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:46 am

That's probabley unlikely....DCA-DFW was a EVCR7 and DFW-BOI was a AE CR7.
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:04 am

Going westbound, it's very easy to top off the tanks on the CRJ7 on that route -- especially if the closest alternate to SFO is SMF.

[Edited 2005-03-18 01:07:18]
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:19 am

How about taking that RJ and placing it on SFO-ONT. To this day I have no clue why no airline would not fly this route.
 
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:21 am

Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 5):
How about taking that RJ and placing it on SFO-ONT. To this day I have no clue why no airline would not fly this route.

Now, that's what I'm talking about.  Smile Of course, I would still need to get to SFOBig grin
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:41 am

I wonder what the longest RJ route is?
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:50 am

i believe its our COEX IAH-BOI
 
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:51 am

For once we are taking routes from UAX rather than giving them away. Good news though, I guess.
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:53 am

Is the A319 timed to connect with the evening international departures?
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:19 pm

So I did some straight-line distances on my flight explorer, and have made the following observations:

Note: These are straight line distances only, and the actual route will be longer due to routing conditions.

SLC-MSP: 1000
SLC-LIT: 1156
SFO-AUS: 1560
IAH-BOI: 1490
ORD-YEG: 1400
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:06 am

Its has nothing to do with range. The CR7 does it very well. The demand is there. The CR7 is being relocated to SAT to start SAT-SFO. So obviously its not a range decision. AUS to the Bay Area has done well. If I am correct AA still does 2 daily AUS-SJC. This is very good new for UA. I think this may be more to do with tech's in AUS connecting to Asia. The timing of the flight is a morning arrival to connect to the Asia bank of flights.

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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
Its has nothing to do with range. The CR7 does it very well.

It is a fuel range problem. For example, AUS-SFO with an average 71 knot headwind:

Minimum FAR takeoff fuel is 15600, or burn plus reserve, with no alternate, or holding fuel. This is without the added safety of contingency fuel. Add SMF as an alternate, and you up the fuel by 1800 pounds. Add in contingency as a buffer against bad wind data or any unforeseen holding. I try to put in a minimum of 1500 pounds on the -700.

So add these up, and you get:

MINTO 15600
SMF 1800
CONT 1500
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RLSF 18,900 pounds.

This only leaves 500 pounds to play with.

What if the closest legal alternate is LAX or RNO? You'll top out the tanks, that's for sure, and possibility of burning into your reserve. Yes, you can use the reserve once in flight, but as far as planning purposes, you have little room to play with.
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:40 am

I don't buy it. Actually closest alternate is OAK/SJC, which with a CR7 is a burn off what, 700lbs? That gives you more fuel to work with. I know your the professional being the dispatcher, but if the loads are that high and push range that it warrants going to mainline, then I take it the reason for change is load.
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AUS-SFO 1307nm
SAT-SFO 1288nm (new service starting up)
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So your saying that changing from a CR7 on a 1307nm flight pushes the range, but the new SAT serves shouldn't be a A319 or 735/3 though only 19nm closer?

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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
So your saying that changing from a CR7 on a 1307nm flight pushes the range, but the new SAT serves shouldn't be a A319 or 735/3 though only 19nm closer?


Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that. You were talking about the CR7 in that post, and not the B737 or A319/20, so don't try to confuse everyone.

What I'm trying to point out is that this flight is pushing it's capabilities. Yes, I know that OAK and SJC are close alternates, but for planning purposes, the minimum alternate burn is much higher than what you put. If the bay area and central valley gets fogged in, then where am I going to put my plane down? I would need an airport that meets at least alternate minimums and is in my OpSpecs. The closest alternate that I could use for this aircraft could be as far as LAX or RNO. There is no way I could launch the flight without a fuel stop -- should I absolutely need one.

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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:05 am

Good for us, and our customers. We shouldn't make them sit in a sardine can for 3 hours. We do need ONT-SFO flights.
 
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RE: UA Upgrades SFO AUS Service From CR7 To 319

Sat Mar 26, 2005 8:24 am

Just stumbled across ORD ABQ also...it goes back to one mainline one express trip a day for the summer.

Great news for UA pax!

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