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DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 2:48 pm

Saw this off DeltaNet today:

March 18, 2005

Delta will accelerate the retirement of older Boeing 737 aircraft this summer to help reduce fleet complexity and increase overall aircraft reliability. By the end of the year, 13 additional 737-200s and one 737-300 will be removed from service. This decision was based on maintenance expenses and other operating costs.

While Delta had stated earlier that it intends to remove up to four aircraft types from the fleet in about four years, the retirement of these 14 is driven by the timing and cost of the planes' maintenance cycles. This action also allows Delta to reduce fuel costs.

The retirement of the 14 aircraft will bring to 26 the total number of Delta aircraft to be retired in 2005.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:01 pm

Still leaves them with approximately 35 732's. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I believe there are about 48 still in service.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 3:40 pm

While not my favorite, the 737-200 is definitely a reliable workhorse. Without a doubt, a lot of midwestern cities will probably be seeing more Comair service.

I'd probably suspect those cities with just one or two 737-200 flights a day will be seeing the changes first.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:00 pm

Sad to see them disappear faster, but as long as it saves them money, I'm all for it. The article mentions 26 planes being retired in total in 2005. 14 are mentioned in that release above, so what are the other 12? 737 Classics as well or does that also include the AT7s scheduled to go?
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:05 pm

When are the 767-200s to go?


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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:52 pm

I believe the other 12 are also 737-200. A few have already been retired this year. I haven't heard any word on 767-200 retirements.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:01 pm

 wideeyed  That's a shame, I loved the sound of the 732's rocekting away from ATL during my visit in October last year, the older generation 737's have so much character...

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:41 pm

Looks like my home market of GRR will loose DL mainline service, and thus my business.

DL Connection is not reliable in my market and I will have to choose another carrier. A shame, as a 5 year elite, most recently 3 years platinum, this hurts....
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:29 pm

Some of these 732 routes will be replaced by EMB170's which are as comfortable (if not more) than DL's 732's.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:46 pm

Were these the 737s that originally came from Western? How did DL come to be a 737-200 operator otherwise. I knew them to have boatloads of nice looking DC-9s over the years before the MDs came along.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:54 pm

I think that Delta is making a smart move. Having a smaller fleet is always better, in my opinion and if the 737-200's are being replaced with EMB 170's, I am all for it.

I assume that the 732's have somewhat high operating costs to. Good for Delta!

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:08 am

Good to see Delta making positive steps to improve their financial situation. I am sorry to see the 732s go but I am glad that Delta are making plans.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
Some of these 732 routes will be replaced by EMB170's which are as comfortable (if not more) than DL's 732's.

That is highly debatable. The 737 is still a bigger / heavier plane. It goes through turbulence better, and has much more room. "Seven-three" pilots who have flown multiple (73) types say the -200 is best for flying through "heavy" weather.

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 10):
I assume that the 732's have somewhat high operating costs to. Good for Delta!

Of course the 170 has lower operating costs. It is basically a Lou Dobbs-eaque "outsourcing" plane.

1) PLANES are much cheaper to make in Brazil--than in SEATAC. Labor is a fraction of the cost, there is much less environmental regulation, and there is no Sarbanes-Oxley legislation in Brazil--allowing "free-wheeling" of business.

2) AIRLINE LABOR is cheaper: The subcontracting airlines operating the 170's pay their labor a fraction of what the 73-2 mainline is getting. I know a pilot on a 170 right who's last-per diem check was larger then her take home pay in the same pay period. This is indentured servitude.

3) LET SOMEONE ELSE PAY: Why buy an airplane and carry the capital costs for an asset which comes close to having real depreciation that outpaces tax depreciation (how much is a 7 year old EMB 140 with 14000 cycles worth?)

The aviation cliche' (of picking two concepts among: Comfort, Safety, and Cost) seems eternally true.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting Lat41 (Reply 9):

Were these the 737s that originally came from Western?

Some may have, not sure. But DL ordered a batch from Boeing in the 80's. I was quite surprised at the time, since they had DC-9-30's and I believe the 737-300 was being offered at the time. It was one of the last orders for the -200.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:53 am

Delta's buying the E170? Or is Delta Connection? I hadn't heard of this.


Sad to see the 732s go. Without a doubt my favourite of the 737 series...and certianly the one with the most personality.

737NGs with winglets are cool too but nothing beats a 732. Plus I've heard it's the most enjoyable of the 737s to fly. But that's just hearsay. I'm going to miss it about as much as I miss the 727.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:21 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 7):
Looks like my home market of GRR will loose DL mainline service, and thus my business.

You're in Grand Rapids. What do you expect?
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:23 am

I don't know when the 762s are set to retire - I do know for a fact though that Ship 102 "The Spirit of Delta" will be retired to the old Delta hangar alongside the DC-3 and Travelair. I'm not sure if they'll keep her flying like the other two, but at least it wont be scrapped or sold to someone else. I'd imagine the cost of keeping a single 25 year old 762 airworthy for photo ops and airshows is far greater than a DC-3 or a Travelair. But then again, we're the largest 767 airframe operator in the world, so I'm sure we have a plethora of spare parts sitting around to keep her flying for years to come.

[Edited 2005-03-19 18:28:02]
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 14):
Delta's buying the E170? Or is Delta Connection? I hadn't heard of this.

Republic Airways (Parent company of RP) will become another DLConx Carrier, operating 16 E170s.

Comair is also trying to obtain financing to purchase more 70 seat jets. At this point Comair's president feels that the E170 is the a/c of the future, but he has said that Comair will pursue whatever a/c the companies will sell at a better cost (E170 or CR7). Comair's pilots have agreed to a "Pay-Freeze" for two years, and in return Comair will be acquiring 35 new jets. (Mostly 70s, but some CRJs) And if financing falls through, so will the pay freeze. It's all to compete with the other DLConx carriers, providing better service with a competitive cost structure.

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 7):
Looks like my home market of GRR will loose DL mainline service, and thus my business

Don't necessarily assume that. When DL mainline was re-introduced into GRR it was with a M88. Back then all the 732's were still with Delta Express. Not to mention there still will be 35 or so still flying through to 2006.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:37 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 18):
Don't necessarily assume that. When DL mainline was re-introduced into GRR it was with a M88. Back then all the 732's were still with Delta Express. Not to mention there still will be 35 or so still flying through to 2006.

Well, when you look at the online timetable data (assuming it's up to date) for any day in July, the 732 will be gone, having been replaced by a CR7.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:48 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 19):
Well, when you look at the online timetable data (assuming it's up to date) for any day in July, the 732 will be gone, having been replaced by a CR7.

I didn't, but if that is the case that decision was made before this announcement and has nothing to do with the retirement schedule. All this means now is don't look for future mainline DL service into GRR.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 20):
I didn't, but if that is the case that decision was made before this announcement and has nothing to do with the retirement schedule. All this means now is don't look for future mainline DL service into GRR.

Bad news, if your city is losing DL mainline, while most others are actually (re-)gaining mainline service, like PHF or BUF.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 7):
Looks like my home market of GRR will loose DL mainline service, and thus my business.

DL Connection is not reliable in my market and I will have to choose another carrier. A shame, as a 5 year elite, most recently 3 years platinum, this hurts....

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:15 am

First NW starts accelerating the retirement of the DC9, now Delta starts with the 732s..

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:40 am

Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (Reply 23):
DAMN YOU HIGH FUEL PRICES!!

Here, here.... We'd likely have 727's still flying if it wasn't for fuel. They did have the 3 person flight crew, but high fuel will aggrivate the airlines quicker.

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 22):
Fear not...there's always NW

I hear you, may go that way...

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 15):
You're in Grand Rapids. What do you expect?

Based on that type of answer, I'm going to assume you are in a big city, but for your information, Grand Rapids has around 12-15x mainline flights a day on NW.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 14):
Delta's buying the E170? Or is Delta Connection? I hadn't heard of this.

Republic Airways is buying them to operate as DL Connection.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 8):
Some of these 732 routes will be replaced by EMB170's which are as comfortable (if not more) than DL's 732's.

Yeah, but that's still DL Connection.
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Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:27 pm

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:41 pm

Quoting MD11LuxuryLinr (Reply 23):
First NW starts accelerating the retirement of the DC9, now Delta starts with the 732s..

DAMN YOU HIGH FUEL PRICES!!

The high fuel prices are spelling the end of the JT8D, specifically the earlier low bypass models (pre- MD-80).  hissyfit  While I'm glad to see quieter aircraft replace them, this will rock Pratt. If fuel keeps going up I'm standing with my prediction on another thread that average aircraft service lives will drop to 25 years. (It was approaching 35 years pre 9/11.) Historically, its been closer to 30 years. (Note: most in the airline industry believed we were at the end of the ~7 year cycle in 2001..., so airframes were being used that everyone "knew" would be retired soon.)

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 15):
You're in Grand Rapids. What do you expect?

GRR served over 2 million passengers in 2004. The population of the greater Grand Rapids/ Holland / Muskegon area is in excess of 1 million people. The Detroit area keeps losing population and Grand Rapids and West Michigan keeps growing- lots of Detroit area and Chicago area transplants living here....

I'd say GRR losing DL mainline from CVG and earlier this year from ATL, (in addition to DL's pending bankruptcy filing and ATA/C8 pulling out,) is yet another green light for AirTran to begin GRR-ATL service....
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:44 am

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 27):
GRR served over 2 million passengers in 2004. The population of the greater Grand Rapids/ Holland / Muskegon area is in excess of 1 million people

Thank you Todd.

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 27):
I'd say GRR losing DL mainline from CVG and earlier this year from ATL, (in addition to DL's pending bankruptcy filing and ATA/C8 pulling out,) is yet another green light for AirTran to begin GRR-ATL service....

I'll vote for anything now...
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:28 am

To little to late.. Should haver gotten rid of those pigs LONG ago...CHP 11 by Sept.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 7):
Looks like my home market of GRR will loose DL mainline service, and thus my business.

One of the costs of the current airline turmoil is that smaller cities will lose mainline service, particularly if the legacy carriers Chapt. 7 (liquidate) or merge. Smaller areas might lose all service. Point to point is great if you live in a big city but is killing service at small airports.

Delta made a mistake in not retiring the 737-200s in 2002. The thought they would need them to hold market share but instead they carried the high costs of operating the planes but did not get the yield back.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 30):
One of the costs of the current airline turmoil is that smaller cities will lose mainline service, particularly if the legacy carriers Chapt. 7 (liquidate) or merge. Smaller areas might lose all service. Point to point is great if you live in a big city but is killing service at small airports

Loosing mainline isn't my problem. It's the execution of the regional ops @ my home airport. I actually prefer some elements of regional ops. Specifically, ground time is quicker (boarding/deplaining/baggage, etc.).
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:25 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 14):
Delta's buying the E170? Or is Delta Connection? I hadn't heard of this.



Quoting Docchaos (Reply 17):
Comair is also trying to obtain financing to purchase more 70 seat jets. At this point Comair's president feels that the E170 is the a/c of the future, but he has said that Comair will pursue whatever a/c the companies will sell at a better cost (E170 or CR7). Comair's pilots have agreed to a "Pay-Freeze" for two years, and in return Comair will be acquiring 35 new jets. (Mostly 70s, but some CRJs) And if financing falls through, so will the pay freeze. It's all to compete with the other DLConx carriers, providing better service with a competitive cost structure.

Docchaos is correct, our President has been very up front that this new purchase will really help OH to compete with other carriers both inside and outside DL Connection. It should be interesting to see what happens... in a speech recently he said that new aircraft could start arriving on the property as early as July of this year...
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:27 pm

The horror the horror, I miss flying the DL 737-200 in First class CVG-DCA oh those days (just a year ago) Big grin I cannot stand those posted thrust reverse pictures... they turn me on!

I also flew on the HP 737-200 and 737-100 and also WN 737-200 (with reverser partially deployed prior to landing, how curious)
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:41 pm

Quoting 252MKR (Reply 12):
1) PLANES are much cheaper to make in Brazil--than in SEATAC. Labor is a fraction of the cost, there is much less environmental regulation, and there is no Sarbanes-Oxley legislation in Brazil--allowing "free-wheeling" of business.

While labor costs are lower, I'm not sure how helpful our over tax burden system helps out Embraer much.

And trust me, the "much less environmental regulation" part is definitely not true. Those "left-wing, tree huggers and dope-smoking hippies" as an American friend of mine creatively puts it, have quite a bit of political influence down here.

As for the piece of legislation mentioned, I have no idea what that is.


On to the topic, I think it's very sad to see these 732s go. Certainly a great aircraft.

Cheers,

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:51 pm

The title of this thread just seems weird, Early? Earlier than what, NWA and DC-9? I don't think 2005 is "early" to retire a -200!
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:04 pm

Earlier than Delta originally planned to retire their 732s. They just upped the schedule of doing so. Also, the 732s that DL owns were some of the last to roll of the production line, which was mid to late 80s. I'm not sure about the Western Pac and Western birds, they might be older. But as for the DL ordered 732s, we have 762s and some 763s that are older.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:56 pm

PPVRA,

Highly amusing post! You are correct in calling me out on my sometimes overly sweeping generalizations.

If you can not get to sleep some night, just type Sarbanes-Oxley into a search engine. You will be rewarded with a ton of super boring business regulation aimed at preventing the next "Enron." I am sure it will prove better than counting sheep.

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:19 pm

Most of the 732s are leased so its now just a return.

Operating 732s, 733s, 738s MD-83s and MD-90s and 757s all together is just a bad business plan. . . Not to mention the 727s that are already out of the fleet. They should've already consolidated the narrowbody fleet types long ago.

I wonder how long it will take until all of the majors have mostly 737NG or mostly A320 fleets for domestic narrowbody operations (augmented by aging 757s of course).

And no more DC-9s, old generation 737s or MD-80s/90s . . . Maybe as soon 5 years?
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:34 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 7):
Looks like my home market of GRR will loose DL mainline service, and thus my business.

DL Connection is not reliable in my market and I will have to choose another carrier.

I may have spoken too harsh too soon. Had a very nice experience this morning on a flight.

Since this post came online Saturday, I've put DL under the microscope in my market. And I'm flying 4 out of 5 days in GRR - so it is a good time.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:09 am

Quoting 707437 (Reply 38):
I wonder how long it will take until all of the majors have mostly 737NG or mostly A320 fleets for domestic narrowbody operations (augmented by aging 757s of course).

And no more DC-9s, old generation 737s or MD-80s/90s . . . Maybe as soon 5 years?

More like in 10 years earliest. I'll go by airline:
AA: Some 360 MD-80s. If replace at a rate of 3 per month, it would take 10 years to replace them all. Not to mention AA doesn't have the money to buy or lease 360 737NGs.
CO: Already simplified, and the fleet will likely be simplified to 737NGs only within the next 5 years.
DL: All 732s and 733s are scheduled for disposal until 2007. Even then, still 136 MD-88/90s left. At a rate of 3 per month as well (from 2007 on), it would take almost 4 years.
NW: And their DC-9s, no comment
UA and US: Both have no money, but both are slowly retiring parts of their 737 fleets. Should either or both survive, they'd be the first Legacy Carrier to have an entire A320- or 737NG-only fleet. But that is also still years away.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:52 am

Does this mean more layoffs? I don't believe there are any new aircraft deliveries this year or next.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 41):
Does this mean more layoffs? I don't believe there are any new aircraft deliveries this year or next.

No, there will be no more layoffs besides the 6,900 already announced last year. And while DL itself doesn't have any planes on order until 2007, CHQ will be gettig 16 EMB-170s, and ASA still some 20+ CRJs on order.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:18 am

DAL767400ER,

I recall that DL has 737-800s on order for 2006 that haven't been cancelled. Have those been cancelled or does DL still intend to receive the aircraft.

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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:31 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 43):
I recall that DL has 737-800s on order for 2006 that haven't been cancelled. Have those been cancelled or does DL still intend to receive the aircraft.

I'm not really sure about DL's 738 delivery dates. What I am sure about is that the majority of them will be delivered in 2007, 36 total I believe, and the rest were either in early 2008 or late 2006, but I'm not sure about those.
 
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 7):
DL Connection is not reliable in my market and I will have to choose another carrier. A shame, as a 5 year elite, most recently 3 years platinum, this hurts....



Quoting B4real (Reply 39):
I may have spoken too harsh too soon. Had a very nice experience this morning on a flight.

Rick- an interesting side note:

ASA 716 (DL 4716) GRR-ATL was cancelled early yesterday (Sunday) morning. Flight departed GRR but was forced to return to GRR due to an inflight stabilization problem. ARFF was called out to monitor the faster than normal landing. A/C taxied back to the gate without further incident.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:29 am

Quoting 9844 (Reply 29):
To little to late.. Should haver gotten rid of those pigs LONG ago...CHP 11 by Sept.

IIRC, the Hispanic name that I heard for the 732 is "La Chanchita"...maybe one of our Spanish-speaking friends can verify...
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:28 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 46):
La Chanchita

Chancita=Little pig
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:58 pm

Quoting 252MKR (Reply 12):
1) PLANES are much cheaper to make in Brazil--than in SEATAC. Labor is a fraction of the cost, there is much less environmental regulation, and there is no Sarbanes-Oxley legislation in Brazil--allowing "free-wheeling" of business.

Pilots talking about Sarbanes-Oxley?

LOL!!! You're out of your league here, bud.

For a company with a well run IT department, Sarbanes-Oxley is not much of a barrier at all. If it causes upheavel in your organization, it wasn't well run to begin with.
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RE: DL To Retire 732s Early

Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:26 pm

I gave some more thought to this...

For my market, its starting to make sense. I think Fred Buttrell was appointed chief @ Comair to make it 'sellable' due to the financial climate, and stations like mine the DL flight is handled on the ground by Comair staff. When/if DL sells Comair - that makes this a lot easier of a divorce if the only flights to GRR are Comair or ASA - no Delta flights....

Am I on the crack pipe or the right side of the tracks?
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