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Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:28 pm

Guys I know this has came around a few times before but, last night, i took my first flight on a Boeing MD-88...

Everytime before, it was announced by the f/as as McDonell Douglass or simply MD-88


The F/A last ngiht called it a Boeing MD-88 ...

Is this the new deal with delta... after all they now have an "all boeing fleet"

Im wondering if this was just this one F/A or if this has become a branding thing... The certificate will always show McD, and in the eyes of the feds its always a McD aircraft

Take the AA-5 Tiger, Grumman American Tiger Gulfstream all had their name on it at one point

Anyone else been on a Boeing DC-9 or Boeing MD-80???
 
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Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:33 pm

According to one FA, I was once on a Boeing A320.  Silly

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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:45 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
According to one FA, I was once on a Boeing A320. Silly

Once EADS acquires Boeing, something that will never happen  expressionless 

When you book flights on AS, the MD-82 (or MD-83) is called Boeing MD-80. But the FA's refer to it as MD-80!

Wasnt there a Shanghai MD80?
Anyone know which A/C they were and who they are used by?  wink 
 
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:29 pm

There were around 35 MD-80s produced in China, used by China Eastern and China Northern Airlines. They were replaced by newer models like MD-90 and A320. Some of them found its way to other carriers, including Spanair.

Crossair used to advertise the aircraft as Boeing MD-82/83, at least on their safety cards.
 
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:48 pm

No it's not a thing with Delta. I flew from PNS-ATL, ATL-PHL on Friday the 18th and both flights were MD88's on Delta. The flight attendants and pilots on both flights said "MD88" during the safety breifing. Must of have been just that 1 flight attendant on your flight.  razz 
 
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:58 pm

I know what you mean. Calling the MD-11 a Boeing just doesn't sound right. It was the people at Long Beach who designed, built and loved these MD- and DC- models. Regardless of present ownership issues it seems more appropriate - more respectful - to call them McDonnell Douglas planes. After all, when we still see a rare DC-6 it's a DOUGLAS DC-6, not a McDonnell-Douglas DC-6 and certainly not a Boeing DC-6!!!

For me, the Trident will always be Hawker-Siddeley. Damn - how do you spell that? It's been so long... frown . The VC-10 will always be Vickers, the 1-11 will always be BAC, the Caravelle will always be Sud Aviation, and the F.27/F.28/F.100/F.70 were always Fokkers even when DASA briefly (and foolishly) owned the company. I could go on.

I will go on.

The Comet will always be de Havilland, the Dash-7 will always be de Havilland Canada, the TriStar will always be Lockheed (does anyone call the L-1011 the "Lockheed Martin TriStar"?) and, er, I'm starting to run out. Help me out here, guys.

Oh yes, it'll still be an Airbus even after EADS buy out BAE Systems. The EADS A380??? I think not.

(I hope not!  worried  )
 
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Sun Mar 20, 2005 7:00 pm

According to the safety card, I was on a SWISS Boeing MD-11
 
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:54 am

... And it might have been, since Boeing did build several MD-11s before shutting down the line. But more likely, SWISS/Finnair are lying on their safety cards and should be punished. They are NOT Boeing planes if Boeing didn't build them / own the factory at the time of production.
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:00 am

The old MDD a/c are considered Boeing a/c now because MDD was integrated into Boeing, and with the a/c these days being supported by Boeing, they technically are Boeing a/c. By the same token, one could call the L-1011 the Lockheed-Martin L-1011. Look at the Fairchild-Dornier 328JET; it is now owned by AvCraft, and they refer to it as the AvCraft Dornier 328JET
 
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:00 am

I once flew on a "737" that had a T-tail. Sure looked like a MadDog to me, but the FA insisted we were on a 737. I guess it was the little-known 737-88  silly 
 
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:32 am

A TRUE DC-9 Pilot knows who his bird was built by. DONALD DOUGLAS. Not James S. McDonnell. Not William E. Boeing. It is the DOUGLAS DC9-10 thru DC9-95
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:59 am

Boeing may have bought the company and have the "LEGAL" right to label all Douglas and McDonnell Douglas aircraft Boeing, but in my book they will always be DAC/MDC aircraft.

I can not stand it when I research a DC-3, DC-7 or MD-11 and see the Boeing name in front of it. It is completely disrespectfull to Donald Douglas and the fine employees that built these wonderful aircraft in my opinion.


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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:02 am

I think it's an insult to the company that built those planes to rename them, some that were marketed directly against those Boeing made at the time.

That is like when you adopt a 5-10 year old kid and rename them.
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:12 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 12):
I think it's an insult to the company that built those planes to rename them, some that were marketed directly against those Boeing made at the time.

To the victor the spoils. Maybe if Donald Douglas underlings could sell aircraft with the knack that he could design them, they would still bear his name.
 
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:17 am

All MD aircraft built by MD are MDs. All MD aircraft built by Boeing are Boeings- including the 717s and C-17s.
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:43 pm

On the same subject i saw the Sud Caravelle once refered to as an Airbus product!!!!!


I mean yeah sud-->aerospatile-->EADS but calling it an Airbus or relating it to one is a long stretch...

Im sure since this was isolated, it was an F/A that had knowledge of the boeing/mdc merger actually cared (im sure most f/as could care less) and thought he would rename the aircraft... I pitty the day some newsie reports a DC-3 crash as a Boeing DC-3

or like that was said a LockheedMartin L-1011

the tiger i once flew was built by grumman... now the certicate is with the tawainese with tiger aircraft, but could i call it a Northrop Grumman Tiger??? I dont think so....

Lockheed Martin P-38 Lightning Doesnt sound right

Boeing F-4 Phantom II nah...

British Aerospace VC-10 Negative...
 
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Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:16 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 13):
Maybe if Donald Douglas underlings could sell aircraft with the knack that he could design them...

Absolutely irrelevent! So they have ownership, they should respect the origins. Boeing C-17 Globemaster; it isn't their aircraft. I've never heard of an Airbus Concorde...they were responsible for keeping her alive, but no tag.

If Boeing bought Lockeed, how does "Boeing SR-71" sound to you?! If some other company in the future bought Boeing, would you like to see them rip off any existence of the former company that built legacy airplanes? (I'm putting that into perspective, forget that Boeing sell great now) It would become a "Company 747" or "Lockheed 777" for a bit of irony.
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Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:04 am

If you call it the Boeing MD-82, you must also call the other one "Airbus Concorde".....
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:58 am

To keep it simple my return flight is on a Boeing 737-800 ... I dont think you can mess that one up but we will see... I prbley will be asleap by the time the annoucnements start anways
 
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 16):
If Boeing bought Lockeed, how does "Boeing SR-71" sound to you?!

Fair 'nough

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 16):
I've never heard of an Airbus Concorde...they were responsible for keeping her alive, but no tag.

Airbus was responsible for their support, and if they had tried to grab the naming rights... more power to them. Albiet, there would be much more public opinion in renaming the Concorde than the MD-80 or MD-11, who frankly, no one cares about.

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 16):
If some other company in the future bought Boeing, would you like to see them rip off any existence of the former company that built legacy airplanes?

You sentimental hack. It's an airplane, a tangible peice of property that can be bought and sold. Ditto for its design and intellectual rights. An airplane can be very beautify, very elegant, and very stunning... but it isn't a human being.

I suppose your throwing a hissy fit because the IBM Thinkpad series are now being sold by Lenovo?
 
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:39 am

The only Mad Dog I'll call a Boeing is the 717, because it was first built and flown after the merger. Boeing could have cancelled it but didn't, so I'll give them that. All others will always be McDonnell Douglas or plain 'ol Douglas to me.

By the way, American calls it's MD80s "Boeing Super 80s."  thumbsdown 

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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:56 am

Calling an MD-80 a "Boeing Super 80" in sales / safety materials quite likely illegal. The motivation is to mislead passengers to think the highly reputable name Boeing is the manufacturer of the plane they're riding. Since that is 100% false, I think American could easily be sued and forced to change back to the correct description of their aircraft.

Identifying the manufacturer of your aircraft is not a subject for wild creative flights of fancy with the FAA. Neither should it be with the USA flying public. Very shaky legal ground in my peanut-gallery opinion.
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 21):
Since that is 100% false, I think American could easily be sued and forced to change back to the correct description of their aircraft.

Well since the support keeping the airplane flying are now coming from Boeing, 100% false is a tad excesive, no?

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 21):
Identifying the manufacturer of your aircraft is not a subject for wild creative flights of fancy with the FAA. Neither should it be with the USA flying public.

Oh, get a life. Boeing is as legally responsible for those airplanes as MD was. They are Boeing's airplanes, end of story.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 21):
Since that is 100% false, I think American could easily be sued and forced to change back to the correct description of their aircraft.

Actually, American is complying to Boeing's renaming of the airplanes. Wrong person to sue. And since Boeing owns the rights to those airplanes, what are you gonna do?
 
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RE: Boeing DC-3 Boeing DC-9 Boeing MD-88

Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:29 am

Look, it's no big deal to me, but it seems that many others essentially agree that these remain McD-D planes, no matter who owns the spare parts bins.

It is unprecedented to rename decades-old products, altering history itself. That is what needs defending here. History and truth / facts as opposed to corporate spin.

I also think passengers do have a right to know who built the airplane they are riding on. If that's falsely portrayed, as it commonly is, I don't think that's cute, and neither would many passengers. There are indeed laws governing this.
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Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:01 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 19):
You sentimental hack. It's an airplane, a tangible peice of property that can be bought and sold.

The quote you responded to was with regards to a company name change, I was not talking about the product. You basically went around my question because to you it is too incredibly unlikely that Boeing would ever get bought.

Humor me for the sake of arguement, how would you feel if the name "Boeing" was removed from all existence from the industry because another company bought it?

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 19):
I suppose your throwing a hissy fit because the IBM Thinkpad series are now being sold by Lenovo?

Suppose as ir presume? You've read my posts before, what happens when you do that? You have the freedom to ask me questions until I am blue in the face, why did you presume that I am "throwing a hissy fit because the IBM Thinkpad series are now being sold by Lenovo"? You could have asked, "Are you throwing a hissy fit because the IBM Thinkpad series are now being sold by Lenovo" -- that would have been valid. Don't ever make assumptions about be again.
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