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SAN Longhaul Flights

Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:44 am

I realize BA pulled their LHR flights citing lack of yield, but would it have been more profitable had the route been flown by a 767 rather than the 777 which they had running it?

Any further news about LH sniffing around SAN for flights?

Furthermore, would it be feasable to think that a US airline could operate MEX-SAN-NRT through flights capitalizing on traffic from all three cities?

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RE: SAN Longhaul Flights

Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Thread starter):
would it be feasable to think that a US airline could operate MEX-SAN-NRT through flights capitalizing on traffic from all three cities?

That's a very interesting idea, but I don't think it would work too well (at least with respect to attracting Mexican flyers). For starters, Mexicans going only to SAN would rather fly AM because of its service superior to that of any of the U.S. legacies. Second, Mexicans going to NRT would prefer taking the JL MEX-YVR-NRT flight because of the hassle it has become to go through immigration in the U.S. after 9/11.

Okay, so AM flies to SAN with a stop in SJD. True, but I am sure AM would start a daily non-stop flight to SAN from MEX if a U.S. carrier decided to open this route in order to defend its market. And okay, so JL flies MEX-YVR-NRT only 2x weekly. That is true, but there are other alternatives for Mexicans like flying MX/AC via YVR.
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RE: SAN Longhaul Flights

Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Thread starter):
Furthermore, would it be feasable to think that a US airline could operate MEX-SAN-NRT through flights capitalizing on traffic from all three cities?

I seriously doubt that, because there are two factors that speak against such a routing. First, the whole deal with US immigration, that even if you don't leave the plane in SAN you still have to go through immigration etc, and second, SAN's airport is too short to allow a fully tanked widebody destined for NRT enough space for it's takeoff roll, plus the problem with the obstructions (read: Downtown) in the path of a 27 take-off.

Quoting FLY777UAL (Thread starter):
Any further news about LH sniffing around SAN for flights?

SAN is rumored as a potential new US destination, mentioned alongside PIT, but so far it's only rumors.
 
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RE: SAN Longhaul Flights

Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:07 am

Besides maybe a 787, SAN's runway is not particularly long, what can fit there? In terms of traffic type, I see it like PHX.
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RE: SAN Longhaul Flights

Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:29 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Thread starter):
but would it have been more profitable had the route been flown by a 767 rather than the 777 which they had running it?

configuration-wise, probably.

performance (or the relative lack thereof) would've likely been a limiting factor on potential profitability though.
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RE: SAN Longhaul Flights

Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
First, the whole deal with US immigration, that even if you don't leave the plane in SAN you still have to go through immigration etc

Yes; that's why I hear that from Asia, making a stop-over in Canda is so popular. At least for JL going to MEX it is. There was a post on that a few weeks ago. I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend the American immigration system but I from my past experiences, I am always freaked out when I go through immigrations (this happened to me a few times at LAX that I got stopped and got questioned, my suitcase opened, go through further questioning) and the line is so long it makes me feel claustrophobic. I personally would avoid US immigration unless my final destination is the US.

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RE: SAN Longhaul Flights

Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:07 am

Unfortunately, the reason that BA pulled out of SAN (temporarily, or so they say) was due to VERY low yields in the business and first-class sections of the 777, and that's where the money is. Economy class always went out full, but yields in the Y-class are not good enough to justify one flight per day.

Also, as I understand it, code-shares with AA were not possible, but I'm clueless on that one - who on earth would connect through SAN? Not a terribly convenient point...  Confused

So, sadly, 747-400, 777, or 767, BA isn't likely to return. Nor is LH likely to start flying in, although an A340 would certainly be a sight to see skimming the eucalyptus trees of Balboa Park...

As for flights to México, one of the worst kept secrets in San Diego is TIJ. Flights from SAN to México are generally tourist-oriented, not business. For those wishing to fly to MEX, GDL, or a host of other airports, it's a simple matter of crossing the border at San Ysidro, a $10 cab ride to the airport (that's a guaranteed fare regardless of traffic), and then it's a domestic flight with no customs at the other end. In reverse, one does have to fight the lines at San Ysidro or Otay Mesa, but the savings in fares should more than make up for it.

In the future, Asia-bound flights might be possible from the 9000' foot long runway at SAN with the 787, and if BA purchases the plane, that could be economical enough for a return of flights to LHR. Right now, though, the airlines are more than satisfied feeding traffic through PHX, LAX, SFO, DEN, and ORD for international passengers. C'est la vie.
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RE: SAN Longhaul Flights

Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Thread starter):
Any further news about LH sniffing around SAN for flights?

My guess is that PIT will be the next NA LH destination because of Bayer, filling the belly of those planes would really be a plus for LH. I think that SAN is in the same boat as PHX was with LH; they can fill the planes, but yield is poo which equates to a shaky financial performer.

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