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When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:00 am

I just noticed that Alaska Airlines has codeshare with Delta mainline between BOI and SLC (probably other markets too). AS already has quite a bit of codeshare with CO and NW. This means they codeshare will all U.S. domestic partners of Skyteam. Does anyone know if AS is considering becoming a member even though they also codeshare with AA?
 
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:17 am

AS has zero need to join a major airline alliance - the airline receives substantial economic benefit from its ad hoc codeshares - why waste capital for a fancy sticker on the side of the plane?
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:21 am

they will join when Jenna Jameson is in my lap!  cloudnine 
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:22 am

AS has for years made it very clear that they like being 'that girl' when it comes to airline alliances. They'll fool around with just about anyone who asks, but they have no intention of committing to any single alliance. I think EA CO AS mentioned in a recent thread that AS actually now gets more pax through the AA code-share than through any other single airline code share.
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
AS has for years made it very clear that they like being 'that girl' when it comes to airline alliances. They'll fool around with just about anyone who asks, but they have no intention of committing to any single alliance

Well put, Searpqx. Looking at it, aliances exist--at least as far as I can figure-- for marketing purposes and to boost Pax counts. Since AS seems to be doing quite will on its own, there isn't a huge need for them to join Skyteam and put up with the overhead that that would bring.

And, in addition, even if AA weren't providing a majority of the pax (I don't know if they are or not), they are providing at least a decent flow of pax and AS joining SkyTeam would likely irk AA (and AA may choose to open new routes or find someone else who can serve the routes instead of AA).

It's like a street gang- you can stay out of them and play fairly safe, or you can join one and you know the other will be out to kill you...

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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:10 am

AA has already become Alaska's number one codeshare partner from my understanding. We also codeshare with Qantas/British and others....as said above, we are just " That Girl".

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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:15 am

At the moment AS appear to be happy with thin gs as they are.

Given time, I think AS would join OneWorld over other alliances.
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:34 am

I think EA CO AS mentioned in a recent thread that AS actually now gets more pax through the AA code-share than through any other single airline code share.


True! Actually, last I checked, AA provides more codeshare traffic to AS than CO, NW and DL combined.

As others have mentioned, AS doesn't need to join an alliance - they already receive the benefits of membership with both SkyTeam and oneworld without the fuss of actually becoming a member.
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:03 am

Everybody loves a good piece of AS.
 
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:49 am

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 8):
Everybody loves a good piece of AS.

haha...nice.

If AA is providing more traffic to AS than NW, DL and CO then why wouldn't they join One World instead of Skyteam?

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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:21 am

If AA is providing more traffic to AS than NW, DL and CO then why wouldn't they join One World instead of Skyteam?


Why should they? Odds are one of the stipulations to join oneworld would be to sever codeshare links with other carriers - and why would AS want to turn away that extra revenue?

AS is doing just fine the way things are - they get all the benefits of alliances without without the actual headaches associated with joining one.
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:32 pm

The agreement with NW and AS is far more integrated and much larger then that with AA
 
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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:43 pm

This may not be the place to ask, but, speaking of the agreement between NW and AS...

How are codeshare seats dealt with? I.e.

1- Is each codesharing carrier given a block (or a minmum and maximum) number of seats to sell on a given flight? Or can they sell from all available inventory? (I.e. is it theororetically possible to have an AS flight where 100% of the pax are booked on a NW flight number?)

2- How does compensation work-- fixed amount per seat/per route, percentage of actual fare charged or?

3- Assuming the answer to #1 is that each carrier is given a block, does the carrier pay even if no one purchases those seats?

Thanks!

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RE: When Will AS Join Skyteam?

Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
Why should they? Odds are one of the stipulations to join oneworld would be to sever codeshare links with other carriers - and why would AS want to turn away that extra revenue?

AS is doing just fine the way things are - they get all the benefits of alliances without without the actual headaches associated with joining one.

I was just playing devils advocate. I was not actually saying they should join one alliance or another. Actually, I believe it works to their advantage to stay independent. They have increased feed with no obligations to a certain group of airlines.