Gnomon
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Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:16 am

A recent red-eye from LAS to ATL on Delta sparked this question about crew scheduling.

On DL249, which departed LAS at 2250 local and arrived ATL around 0540 local (slightly behind schedule), the LAX-based flight crew started their trip in LAS. I didn't see the ATL-based cabin crew prior to departure.

I'm wondering what a typical red-eye schedule looks like for both cockpit and cabin crew on a legacy carrier. In another thread, a B6 F/A indicated that B6 crews actually do red-eye turns, but that DL, AA, etc., don't schedule their crews that way.

Generally speaking, do crews usually terminate after a red-eye? I'd note that on arrival in ATL the cabin crew looked absolutely exhausted, suggesting possibly that they had done a turn in LAS and didn't originate there with the flight crew.
 
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:36 am

Usually a redeye turn is when a crew departs from the east coast to a west coast city, turns around goes back east on the redeye. That's at least how it works at NW. Our contract prohibits the company from scheduling it the other way around like you suspect with DL. Maybe the LA based crew was going to layover during the day and work an evening flight to LA. Do you know if there was a deadhead crew on there.

[Edited 2005-03-22 18:39:54]
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:59 am

JetJack74 --

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

I didn't see a deadhead crew. I walked with the cockpit crew landside for a while, so I know they started their trip with the red-eye. Maybe the cabin crew arrived from the East Coast and was terminating in ATL?
 
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:36 am

I am a f/a with AirTran and have done the ATL-LAS-ATL trip many times. We start in ATL will fly to Vegas and then right back to ATL. It's a tough trip in my opinion.
 
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:30 am

yeah...i've done those before. honestly...its not TOO bad. once your body gets used to it. the crew that works our JFK-ONT flight turns right around back to JFK. its like a 12 something hour night. but again, if you're used to it its not too bad.

also it saves a bit of money for the company because thats less hotel rooms they have to dish out on. since pilots have that 8 hr max block flying time they layover in ONT (or wherever else). but FA's can go much longer.

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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:43 pm

At TWA, the FA's had turns like that from STL to the West Coast. The pilots did it for awhile on the 717 from STL-PHX-STL. Funny, there was a very high number of sick calls on that pairing...TC
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:14 pm

Seems like a bit mich JFK-ONT-JFK in one day! I know NW f/a's who do MSP-LAX-MSP, and DTW-PHX-DTW. I give them a lot of credit for doing with a smile, God knows I couldn't do that.
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:46 pm

Yeah but you work a 12-36 hour trip then you have a couple of days off.
I worked a summer on the Westours-Holland America section of the Alaska Railroad as a bartender. We left Anchorage at 8am and pulled into Fairbanks around 8pm. Spent the night in Fairbanks. Left Fbks at 8am and returned into Anchorage at 8pm. Then we had one or often 2 days off and do another round trip. You get used to it. The best part is that you are only working 3-4 days a week, albeit long days, but you have lots of time to chill out in-between trips. I figure it would be the same with flight crews. What is the average number of hours that crews (cockpit/cabin) work a week? I take it there is a big difference between the legacies, commuter carriers, LCC's and overseas.

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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:38 pm

We do red eyes at SY, It came about because we were short a plane and wanted to keep the pax happy, and not cancel the flights.
The F/As seems to like it. The ones I have talked with bid it, then you have the reserve F/A who get stuck with it and they don't seem happy. Oh well, that's life.

The red eyes seem to be popular with the passengers as we will have a few more this summer.

Last year a crew member talking with another employee called her flight the "pink" eye, and a Hollywood type was near by and stated to have a fit, saying "I won't fly with someone who is sick" what a jerk. Can't say his name but he is a has been anyway.
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting NWCOflyer (Reply 6):
Seems like a bit mich JFK-ONT-JFK in one day! I know NW f/a's who do MSP-LAX-MSP, and DTW-PHX-DTW. I give them a lot of credit for doing with a smile, God knows I couldn't do that.

And also, they're productive .. that might also be the reason for the smile  Wink Us B6 FA's loooove our productivity and when ONT became a redeye turn, no one seemed to mind because that means more in and out. I was a lil preturbed because I love our layover hotel there  Wink
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RE: Red-eye Turns?

Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:04 am

They're definitely popular with the pax. My flight (a 763) was nearly full. And the 0030 departure to ATL, operated by a 757, was sold out.

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